1 00:00:02,517 --> 00:00:04,379 -You know, I would just like to shout out 2 00:00:04,482 --> 00:00:07,413 a big, fat thank you 3 00:00:07,517 --> 00:00:10,103 to this great country of ours, 4 00:00:10,206 --> 00:00:12,655 the United States of America, 5 00:00:12,758 --> 00:00:15,620 for bringing back subgenres of horror 6 00:00:15,724 --> 00:00:18,448 that we believed were long dead. 7 00:00:18,551 --> 00:00:20,275 And you know what I'm talking about, Darcy. 8 00:00:20,379 --> 00:00:22,103 -No idea. 9 00:00:22,206 --> 00:00:25,137 -We're about to show "The Final Terror." 10 00:00:25,241 --> 00:00:27,068 -Yay! 11 00:00:27,172 --> 00:00:29,758 Tell me again why we're showing "Final Terror." 12 00:00:29,862 --> 00:00:31,655 -Well, the original reason is that the screenwriter, 13 00:00:31,758 --> 00:00:33,000 C. Robert Cargill, 14 00:00:33,103 --> 00:00:36,344 who wrote "The Black Phone" and "Sinister," 15 00:00:36,448 --> 00:00:37,862 many other excellent screenplays -- 16 00:00:37,965 --> 00:00:39,689 "Doctor Strange." -Whoo! 17 00:00:39,793 --> 00:00:41,793 -Wanted to come on the show, 18 00:00:41,896 --> 00:00:45,344 and he said it's one of his favorite movies. 19 00:00:45,448 --> 00:00:46,827 He's actually the only person I know of 20 00:00:46,931 --> 00:00:48,172 who's ever put "The Final Terror"... 21 00:00:48,275 --> 00:00:49,827 -Thank you. What the fuck? -...on a favorites list. 22 00:00:49,931 --> 00:00:51,206 -But okay. Sorry. Okay. 23 00:00:51,310 --> 00:00:52,827 -We're going to ask him to explain himself later. 24 00:00:52,931 --> 00:00:54,413 He's here. 25 00:00:54,517 --> 00:00:56,655 I'm going to find out where the love comes from. 26 00:00:56,758 --> 00:00:59,793 But it could not be better timing, 27 00:00:59,896 --> 00:01:01,379 because this is a genre 28 00:01:01,482 --> 00:01:03,275 that we thought was going the way of the extinct 29 00:01:03,379 --> 00:01:06,586 woolly swamp lizard, because, well, let me back up. 30 00:01:06,689 --> 00:01:07,689 -Whoa. -Let me back up 31 00:01:07,793 --> 00:01:08,758 just a minute here. 32 00:01:08,862 --> 00:01:10,275 -Oh, no, that's never a good sign. 33 00:01:10,379 --> 00:01:12,931 -Back in the heyday of young people go into the woods 34 00:01:13,034 --> 00:01:15,000 and they don't come out movies, 35 00:01:15,103 --> 00:01:18,793 you had umpteen jillion plot situations to choose from. 36 00:01:18,896 --> 00:01:20,655 And in fact, by the end of the 1970s, 37 00:01:20,758 --> 00:01:22,655 you had so many dead camper movies 38 00:01:22,758 --> 00:01:24,620 that people started trying to one-up one another 39 00:01:24,724 --> 00:01:27,379 by going to the most beautiful forests in the world 40 00:01:27,482 --> 00:01:30,103 to shoot them like our friend Jeff Lieberman, remember? 41 00:01:30,206 --> 00:01:32,896 -Yeah. "Just Before Dawn." -Yeah, exactly. 42 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,413 Shot in the breathtaking Silver Falls area of Oregon. 43 00:01:36,517 --> 00:01:39,103 "The Final Terror" was shot in the most beautiful part 44 00:01:39,206 --> 00:01:41,551 of the redwood forest of northern California 45 00:01:41,655 --> 00:01:42,896 and southern Oregon. 46 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,034 Um, which reminds me of "The Forest," 47 00:01:46,137 --> 00:01:48,965 1982 slasher set in Sequoia National Park 48 00:01:49,068 --> 00:01:50,379 in California. 49 00:01:50,482 --> 00:01:53,379 "The Prey," um, 1983 -- 50 00:01:53,482 --> 00:01:56,758 ? in the San Jacinto Mountains of California. 51 00:01:56,862 --> 00:02:00,172 Now, why did they use these locations? 52 00:02:00,275 --> 00:02:02,206 -Please tell us. 53 00:02:04,793 --> 00:02:06,034 -Numero uno -- 54 00:02:06,137 --> 00:02:08,724 The contrast between the beauty of nature 55 00:02:08,827 --> 00:02:10,931 and hardcore gruesome gore. 56 00:02:11,034 --> 00:02:12,827 Numero two-o -- 57 00:02:12,931 --> 00:02:14,517 Easy to explain how they get lost. 58 00:02:14,620 --> 00:02:16,551 Big trees, no roads. 59 00:02:16,655 --> 00:02:18,413 Numero three-o -- 60 00:02:18,517 --> 00:02:20,413 Easy to explain how they have no way 61 00:02:20,517 --> 00:02:22,793 to tell people on the outside world that they need help 62 00:02:22,896 --> 00:02:25,517 because no phones. 63 00:02:25,620 --> 00:02:27,517 Talking about the '70s. -Yeah. 64 00:02:27,620 --> 00:02:28,896 -Numero four -- 65 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,379 All kinds of wildlife that can eat you. 66 00:02:31,482 --> 00:02:33,172 And numero five-o -- 67 00:02:33,275 --> 00:02:34,620 The Unabomber might be living out there 68 00:02:34,724 --> 00:02:36,793 in a shack full of automatic weapons and ammo 69 00:02:36,896 --> 00:02:38,724 reading books about the New World Order 70 00:02:38,827 --> 00:02:42,172 and sleeping in a bed with skulls on the bedposts. 71 00:02:42,275 --> 00:02:45,620 -So then why did these stories become hard to tell? 72 00:02:45,724 --> 00:02:47,724 -Thank you for asking that question, Darcy. 73 00:02:47,827 --> 00:02:49,724 -You told me to ask you that. -Yes I did. 74 00:02:49,827 --> 00:02:50,724 And now I'm thanking you for asking. 75 00:02:50,827 --> 00:02:52,379 -You're welcome. 76 00:02:52,482 --> 00:02:54,689 -The reason is that these stories went out of fashion are, 77 00:02:54,793 --> 00:02:57,068 numero uno, literally millions of people went to 78 00:02:57,172 --> 00:02:59,551 those same parks and forests and decided, you know what? 79 00:02:59,655 --> 00:03:01,344 These places aren't that scary. 80 00:03:01,448 --> 00:03:03,413 All the roads are marked. There's guides everywhere. 81 00:03:03,517 --> 00:03:04,758 The trails are well-cut, 82 00:03:04,862 --> 00:03:06,896 signs pointing to how to get out of here, 83 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,241 they tell you exactly how long the hike is, 84 00:03:09,344 --> 00:03:11,068 where to pitch your tent, whatever. 85 00:03:11,172 --> 00:03:14,103 Pretty dang safe in a national park. 86 00:03:15,896 --> 00:03:19,103 But not if you fire all the forest rangers! 87 00:03:19,206 --> 00:03:21,310 And on Valentine's Day this year, 88 00:03:21,413 --> 00:03:24,344 they laid off thousands of forest rangers! 89 00:03:24,448 --> 00:03:25,965 They laid off biologists, 90 00:03:26,068 --> 00:03:28,000 maintenance people, firefighters. 91 00:03:28,103 --> 00:03:31,655 All of a sudden, Yosemite is not so safe anymore. 92 00:03:31,758 --> 00:03:34,862 Those Rocky Mountain trails aren't so stable anymore. 93 00:03:34,965 --> 00:03:37,034 Big boost to horror. 94 00:03:37,137 --> 00:03:38,689 -Oh, my God, are you serious? 95 00:03:38,793 --> 00:03:40,724 -I never joke about horror, Darcy. 96 00:03:40,827 --> 00:03:43,379 There is an active effort in Washington, D.C. 97 00:03:43,482 --> 00:03:45,413 to bulk up the outdoor horror market. 98 00:03:45,517 --> 00:03:48,758 -Oh, that's nice. -Because numero two-o -- 99 00:03:48,862 --> 00:03:50,448 People watch these movies and they go, 100 00:03:50,551 --> 00:03:52,862 "Well, that could never happen today." 101 00:03:52,965 --> 00:03:57,000 Cellphones, GPS, all those parks are mapped. 102 00:03:57,103 --> 00:03:59,793 You could just call in your location. 103 00:04:01,896 --> 00:04:03,689 Not if you start firing people 104 00:04:03,793 --> 00:04:06,586 at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. 105 00:04:06,689 --> 00:04:08,241 "Hey, Travis, why are we getting these 106 00:04:08,344 --> 00:04:09,793 wonky signals on our phones?" 107 00:04:09,896 --> 00:04:12,172 "Because, Scoutmaster For Coochie, 108 00:04:12,275 --> 00:04:14,655 there are normally 24 GPS satellites, 109 00:04:14,758 --> 00:04:16,551 but only 18 of them are working today." 110 00:04:16,655 --> 00:04:18,862 Or just, "Well, the park is so vast 111 00:04:18,965 --> 00:04:20,965 that the cell towers are too many miles apart, 112 00:04:21,068 --> 00:04:24,551 and the ones they do have are maintained by...forest rangers!" 113 00:04:24,655 --> 00:04:28,620 So once again, thank you to the people in D.C. who love horror. 114 00:04:28,724 --> 00:04:30,068 Numero three-o -- 115 00:04:30,172 --> 00:04:31,827 people stopped believing that you might get eaten 116 00:04:31,931 --> 00:04:33,482 by a grizzly bear at Yellowstone 117 00:04:33,586 --> 00:04:37,482 because they have tracking tags on all the animals, 118 00:04:37,586 --> 00:04:41,379 and they routinely cull any wild feral population 119 00:04:41,482 --> 00:04:44,344 that gets out of hand, like the black bears in New Jersey 120 00:04:44,448 --> 00:04:48,275 that started menacing the children in the suburbs. 121 00:04:48,379 --> 00:04:50,862 Unless... 122 00:04:50,965 --> 00:04:52,862 the US Fish and Wildlife Service 123 00:04:52,965 --> 00:04:55,689 gets gutted like an alligator gar in an East Texas pond 124 00:04:55,793 --> 00:04:58,172 full of redneck pontoon boats. 125 00:04:58,275 --> 00:05:01,655 Every endangered species from manatees 126 00:05:01,758 --> 00:05:04,689 to black-footed ferrets, got released from supervision. 127 00:05:04,793 --> 00:05:06,482 The National Wildlife Refuge Service 128 00:05:06,586 --> 00:05:08,586 lost 30% of its workforce, 129 00:05:08,689 --> 00:05:10,896 rangers were fired, pilots, technicians, 130 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,931 the guys who put the tags on the jackals. 131 00:05:14,034 --> 00:05:15,862 They're all working at Taco Bell now 132 00:05:15,965 --> 00:05:19,103 so that we can have better forest primeval horror. 133 00:05:19,206 --> 00:05:21,241 Isn't this great? -It's amazing. 134 00:05:21,344 --> 00:05:23,172 Is it -- All this is real that you're talking about? 135 00:05:23,275 --> 00:05:24,448 -These are real things. 136 00:05:24,551 --> 00:05:26,310 Ask your neighborhood wolf tracker, Darcy. 137 00:05:26,413 --> 00:05:27,551 Ask him. 138 00:05:27,655 --> 00:05:29,448 -Well, I live in Hollywood, so... 139 00:05:29,551 --> 00:05:30,827 -You live in Hollywood Hills? 140 00:05:30,931 --> 00:05:33,758 You're going to get overrun with wolves, now, Darcy. 141 00:05:33,862 --> 00:05:35,758 Also... -I'm fine with that. 142 00:05:35,862 --> 00:05:37,689 -...remember how in "Deliverance," 143 00:05:37,793 --> 00:05:39,793 uh, those four urban tourists 144 00:05:39,896 --> 00:05:41,275 are heading down the Chattahoochee River 145 00:05:41,379 --> 00:05:43,137 'cause it's about to get dammed up 146 00:05:43,241 --> 00:05:44,551 by the Army Corps of Engineers, 147 00:05:44,655 --> 00:05:48,034 and so they want to ride it while it's still wild? 148 00:05:48,137 --> 00:05:50,275 -Sure. -Well, all those rivers 149 00:05:50,379 --> 00:05:52,068 that were being undammed 150 00:05:52,172 --> 00:05:54,896 and returned to the wild, mainly up in the northwest 151 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,413 where the Native American tribes were, were pissed -- 152 00:05:58,517 --> 00:06:01,655 All those rivers are getting redammed. 153 00:06:01,758 --> 00:06:03,620 So we'll have a bunch of canoe rentals 154 00:06:03,724 --> 00:06:05,241 through Ned Beatty's neighborhood. 155 00:06:05,344 --> 00:06:06,862 Once again, thank you, Washington, 156 00:06:06,965 --> 00:06:08,827 for making the world safe for outdoor horror 157 00:06:08,931 --> 00:06:11,137 and safer hillbilly rape. 158 00:06:11,241 --> 00:06:13,862 -I feel like you're exaggerating maybe just a little bit here. 159 00:06:13,965 --> 00:06:15,517 -No. Darcy, go look at -- 160 00:06:15,620 --> 00:06:17,344 Go look at the numbers on anything related 161 00:06:17,448 --> 00:06:19,241 to the outdoors, tourism, national parks, 162 00:06:19,344 --> 00:06:20,758 animals, rivers, mountains. 163 00:06:20,862 --> 00:06:23,068 It's Fuck Teddy Roosevelt time. 164 00:06:23,172 --> 00:06:25,379 And finally, you remember all those horror plots 165 00:06:25,482 --> 00:06:27,827 about taking kids out of dangerous urban high schools 166 00:06:27,931 --> 00:06:29,620 and sending them out into the woods 167 00:06:29,724 --> 00:06:31,758 and teaching them self-reliance and all that? 168 00:06:31,862 --> 00:06:34,482 Fortunately, we have something better than that now, 169 00:06:34,586 --> 00:06:36,689 because as of June 30th, 170 00:06:36,793 --> 00:06:40,000 every last Job Corps center was closed, 171 00:06:40,103 --> 00:06:42,310 and all those troublemakers with switchblades 172 00:06:42,413 --> 00:06:44,137 are just heading for the rural highways, 173 00:06:44,241 --> 00:06:46,689 ready to hijack vehicles and stage home invasions. 174 00:06:46,793 --> 00:06:49,172 So just think of how many guys got released 175 00:06:49,275 --> 00:06:50,482 in the middle of their court ordered 176 00:06:50,586 --> 00:06:52,275 Job Corps sentence, you know? 177 00:06:52,379 --> 00:06:54,206 "Hey, Vinny, let's party at the general store 178 00:06:54,310 --> 00:06:56,103 tonight before we go back to Chicago." 179 00:06:56,206 --> 00:06:58,103 And we love that kind of inspiration 180 00:06:58,206 --> 00:06:59,551 here at "The Last Drive-In." 181 00:06:59,655 --> 00:07:02,793 '70s hicksploitation paranoia is back. 182 00:07:02,896 --> 00:07:05,172 Let's get nasty down by the sinkhole. 183 00:07:05,275 --> 00:07:06,724 -Hell, yeah. -All right. 184 00:07:06,827 --> 00:07:08,793 I knew you'd come around. -Oh, no, I didn't. 185 00:07:08,896 --> 00:07:10,413 I just want you to introduce the movie, please. 186 00:07:10,517 --> 00:07:11,448 -All right. Oh, yeah. 187 00:07:11,551 --> 00:07:13,172 "The Final Terror" -Yes! 188 00:07:13,275 --> 00:07:15,310 -"The Final Terror," this is the sensitive story 189 00:07:15,413 --> 00:07:17,000 of a bunch of junior forest rangers 190 00:07:17,103 --> 00:07:20,551 who head out on a wilderness work detail in Redwood Country, 191 00:07:20,655 --> 00:07:23,103 and they bring along a few girls so they can hit on them 192 00:07:23,206 --> 00:07:25,310 during the river raft trip they have planned, 193 00:07:25,413 --> 00:07:29,000 as soon as they finish chopping wood with their shirts off. 194 00:07:29,103 --> 00:07:31,517 Only their bus driver is a guy with bad hygiene 195 00:07:31,620 --> 00:07:33,068 who seems to know way too much 196 00:07:33,172 --> 00:07:34,793 about the mental health facility, 197 00:07:34,896 --> 00:07:36,758 where the legends abound about crazy people 198 00:07:36,862 --> 00:07:38,965 living out in the illegal marijuana fields. 199 00:07:39,068 --> 00:07:40,862 Sure, we've seen it before, 200 00:07:40,965 --> 00:07:43,482 but have we seen it with Daryl Hannah and Rachel Ward 201 00:07:43,586 --> 00:07:45,137 as cheesecake bimbos, 202 00:07:45,241 --> 00:07:48,275 and Adrian Zmed as a wolf-howling stoner 203 00:07:48,379 --> 00:07:50,034 trying to rip off weed farmers? 204 00:07:50,137 --> 00:07:51,586 I think not. 205 00:07:51,689 --> 00:07:53,827 So let's take a look at those driving totals and get started. 206 00:07:53,931 --> 00:07:55,000 We have... 207 00:08:18,931 --> 00:08:21,931 "Drive-In" Academy Award nominations for Joe Pantoliano 208 00:08:22,034 --> 00:08:24,827 as the deranged bus driver with a secret who says, 209 00:08:24,931 --> 00:08:26,896 "You little peckers, keep up that horseshit 210 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,862 and I'm going a strand your butts out of here." 211 00:08:28,965 --> 00:08:32,689 Daryl Hannah for stealing every scene in which she does nothing. 212 00:08:32,793 --> 00:08:35,103 Rachel Ward for performing field surgery 213 00:08:35,206 --> 00:08:37,241 and using her natural English accent 214 00:08:37,344 --> 00:08:40,448 without any apparent awareness that she's in the United States. 215 00:08:40,551 --> 00:08:44,068 Adrian Zmed for saying, "Anybody want to get high?" 216 00:08:44,172 --> 00:08:47,827 John Friedrich as the berserker Nam vet who says, 217 00:08:47,931 --> 00:08:49,310 "You people want to survive this thing? 218 00:08:49,413 --> 00:08:52,862 You got to start looking and thinking like the forest." 219 00:08:52,965 --> 00:08:54,275 And they do. 220 00:08:54,379 --> 00:08:58,724 One star if you're here for the kills 221 00:08:58,827 --> 00:09:00,206 Two stars... 222 00:09:00,310 --> 00:09:01,965 -Whoo! -...if you're doing mushrooms. 223 00:09:02,068 --> 00:09:03,896 -Two! -Three stars 224 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,172 if you're doing Arkansas Polio Weed. 225 00:09:06,275 --> 00:09:08,275 And four stars if you're watching it 226 00:09:08,379 --> 00:09:10,517 with the biggest fan of "The Final Terror." 227 00:09:10,620 --> 00:09:12,551 C. Robert Cargill, who will be out here... 228 00:09:12,655 --> 00:09:14,517 -Whoo! Four stars! -...at the first break 229 00:09:14,620 --> 00:09:17,206 to explain why we should not string him up by his nipples 230 00:09:17,310 --> 00:09:19,310 like Richard Harris in "A Man Called Horse," 231 00:09:19,413 --> 00:09:22,448 and then stick a shard of Lucio Fulci wood through 232 00:09:22,551 --> 00:09:24,103 his eyeball, like that scene in "Zombie" 233 00:09:24,206 --> 00:09:27,448 for making us think about the philosophical implications 234 00:09:27,551 --> 00:09:29,862 of "The Final Terror." 235 00:09:29,965 --> 00:09:32,206 Okay. Let's go. 236 00:09:32,310 --> 00:09:33,862 -Yay! 237 00:09:33,965 --> 00:09:36,724 -Darcy. Darcy, you're always -- 238 00:09:36,827 --> 00:09:38,275 I don't know what I just talked about. 239 00:09:38,379 --> 00:09:39,655 Darcy, you're always-- -No one does. 240 00:09:39,758 --> 00:09:41,931 -You're always a peacemaker. -Yes. 241 00:09:42,034 --> 00:09:44,103 -You probably see both sides. 242 00:09:44,206 --> 00:09:47,068 You can see redeeming value in "The Final Terror." 243 00:09:47,172 --> 00:09:48,344 -Yes, I can. 244 00:09:48,448 --> 00:09:52,965 -And Cargill, he's a big A-list screenwriter, 245 00:09:53,068 --> 00:09:55,620 and he thinks "The Final Terror" is genius. 246 00:09:55,724 --> 00:09:57,931 -And that is one way of looking at it. 247 00:09:58,034 --> 00:10:02,931 -And I guess it is kind of exciting...at times. 248 00:10:03,034 --> 00:10:05,275 -At times. 249 00:10:05,379 --> 00:10:07,448 -Okay. Probably not. -Four stars. 250 00:10:07,551 --> 00:10:09,655 -Probably not, but it's survival night... 251 00:10:09,758 --> 00:10:11,275 -Sure. -...on "The Last Drive-In." 252 00:10:11,379 --> 00:10:14,034 Will C. Robert Cargill survive. 253 00:11:06,137 --> 00:11:08,000 -Jimmy, look out! 254 00:11:21,206 --> 00:11:22,931 You all right? 255 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,551 -Yeah, I think I got a few scratches. 256 00:11:27,620 --> 00:11:30,482 How about you? -Ow! 257 00:11:30,586 --> 00:11:31,896 I'm caught. 258 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,724 Over there, see if you can lift it. 259 00:11:33,827 --> 00:11:35,413 Okay. 260 00:11:36,689 --> 00:11:38,551 Ah! 261 00:11:38,655 --> 00:11:40,551 Damn. 262 00:11:42,724 --> 00:11:44,827 -Here, let me help you up. 263 00:11:45,965 --> 00:11:47,862 -Shit. 264 00:11:51,379 --> 00:11:54,000 -Put your arm around me. 265 00:11:54,103 --> 00:11:56,551 -Over there. 266 00:11:56,655 --> 00:11:58,000 Ah! 267 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,551 Oh! 268 00:12:06,689 --> 00:12:08,344 -I'll find help. 269 00:12:39,724 --> 00:12:42,862 Hello? Hello? 270 00:12:42,965 --> 00:12:44,206 Shit. 271 00:13:05,241 --> 00:13:06,448 Jimmy? 272 00:13:08,827 --> 00:13:10,413 Jim? 273 00:13:13,310 --> 00:13:14,931 Jimmy! 274 00:13:28,034 --> 00:13:29,655 Jimmy? 275 00:13:37,241 --> 00:13:38,448 Jim! 276 00:16:18,379 --> 00:16:19,413 -Stay still. 277 00:16:19,517 --> 00:16:21,034 Don't you know better? 278 00:16:21,137 --> 00:16:22,551 Stay still. 279 00:16:30,482 --> 00:16:32,517 -Wake up, pigs! 280 00:16:34,413 --> 00:16:36,551 -Eggar, what the hell are you doing in here? 281 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,620 -Morning, Eggar. Up to your old tricks? 282 00:16:50,586 --> 00:16:52,172 -Hey, Zorich! 283 00:16:52,275 --> 00:16:54,517 -Get the hell out of here! 284 00:16:54,620 --> 00:16:56,448 -Wake up! 285 00:16:56,551 --> 00:16:57,931 -You goddamn geek. 286 00:16:58,034 --> 00:16:59,241 -Who you calling geek, boy? 287 00:16:59,344 --> 00:17:01,275 -You don't wanna mess with me. 288 00:17:01,379 --> 00:17:03,724 You wanna dance, huh? 289 00:17:15,034 --> 00:17:17,103 -Hey, cupcake, 290 00:17:17,206 --> 00:17:19,379 you better find somebody to take care of you. 291 00:17:22,103 --> 00:17:24,517 -I don't need anybody to take care of me. 292 00:17:29,724 --> 00:17:31,965 -Go on. Get out of here. 293 00:17:32,068 --> 00:17:34,000 -You heard him, Eggar. 294 00:17:36,413 --> 00:17:39,137 -Ten cans is missing from my storeroom. 295 00:17:39,241 --> 00:17:40,448 You got the sign? 296 00:17:40,551 --> 00:17:43,137 I'm not coming up short in my pantry. 297 00:17:43,241 --> 00:17:46,758 Now, you make sure those boys behave themselves, you hear? 298 00:17:46,862 --> 00:17:48,034 -There. 299 00:17:48,137 --> 00:17:49,413 -Mike, this is crazy. 300 00:17:49,517 --> 00:17:51,034 I mean, why the hell are you bringing us along, man? 301 00:17:51,137 --> 00:17:53,551 -Man, this whole thing is bullshit. 302 00:17:54,655 --> 00:17:56,965 It's just for my man to get off with his lady, huh? 303 00:17:57,068 --> 00:17:58,310 -See the kind of gratitude I get? 304 00:17:58,413 --> 00:17:59,379 I go out of my way -- 305 00:17:59,482 --> 00:18:01,172 I go out on a limb to set it up 306 00:18:01,275 --> 00:18:03,034 so these guys can have a little holiday. 307 00:18:03,137 --> 00:18:04,310 -How many girls are coming along? 308 00:18:04,413 --> 00:18:06,896 -Three. Plus my girlfriend. 309 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,931 -Yeah, but what do they look like? 310 00:18:09,034 --> 00:18:12,551 -Listen, these are very classy ladies. 311 00:18:12,655 --> 00:18:14,827 I want you guys to try to be gentlemen. 312 00:18:14,931 --> 00:18:17,724 Be polite and try to be cool. 313 00:18:17,827 --> 00:18:20,137 Well, you know us. 314 00:18:20,241 --> 00:18:22,448 -That's exactly what I mean. 315 00:18:22,551 --> 00:18:24,758 -Why is Eggar coming? 316 00:18:24,862 --> 00:18:26,482 -He's coming along so he can pick us up on Friday 317 00:18:26,586 --> 00:18:28,310 when we get off the river. 318 00:18:28,413 --> 00:18:29,724 -You better keep him away from us 319 00:18:29,827 --> 00:18:31,482 before he gets his ass kicked. 320 00:18:31,586 --> 00:18:33,724 -He's already starting on Cerone. 321 00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:37,586 -Okay. 322 00:18:37,689 --> 00:18:39,620 I'm going to talk to him. 323 00:18:39,724 --> 00:18:42,586 Why don't you guys come along and help him load the bus? 324 00:18:43,965 --> 00:18:47,068 Oh, and Dennis, wear some underwear. 325 00:18:52,896 --> 00:18:54,586 - Forestry worker and a female companion 326 00:18:54,689 --> 00:18:56,310 are missing in the North Mill Creek vicinity. 327 00:18:56,413 --> 00:18:57,482 Authorities are continuing the search. 328 00:18:57,586 --> 00:18:59,172 -Hey, Eggar! 329 00:18:59,275 --> 00:19:01,068 -The weather will continue fair through tomorrow... 330 00:19:01,172 --> 00:19:02,482 -Eggar! -...followed by increasing-- 331 00:19:02,586 --> 00:19:04,482 -Over here. 332 00:19:07,448 --> 00:19:09,137 -Hey, what -- what's going on, man? 333 00:19:09,241 --> 00:19:11,172 I just got a change plans. 334 00:19:11,275 --> 00:19:13,413 Going to go to Mill Creek and Wolf Creek? 335 00:19:13,517 --> 00:19:15,413 That's 30 miles further than where we're supposed to go. 336 00:19:15,517 --> 00:19:16,793 Mill Creek is real dangerous. 337 00:19:16,896 --> 00:19:18,103 You don't want to take these kids out over there. 338 00:19:18,206 --> 00:19:19,620 Somebody might get hurt. 339 00:19:19,724 --> 00:19:21,206 -What the hell is the matter with you, Eggar? 340 00:19:21,310 --> 00:19:23,068 I thought we understood each other. 341 00:19:23,172 --> 00:19:26,655 Now, the bus was supposed to be ready to go an hour ago. 342 00:19:26,758 --> 00:19:28,862 -The bus was ready to go an hour ago. 343 00:19:28,965 --> 00:19:30,551 I did your job for you, didn't I? 344 00:19:30,655 --> 00:19:32,965 I had to wake your baby punks out of bed. 345 00:19:33,068 --> 00:19:35,172 And you're using a state vehicle for personal business, 346 00:19:35,275 --> 00:19:36,586 and you're transporting outsiders. 347 00:19:36,689 --> 00:19:37,965 Now, I know who you're taking, 348 00:19:38,068 --> 00:19:39,862 and I know what you're going to do with her, too. 349 00:19:39,965 --> 00:19:41,103 -This is still a work detail. 350 00:19:41,206 --> 00:19:42,448 I've got all the authorization I need. 351 00:19:42,551 --> 00:19:44,310 -Bullshit. You let that garbage do what they want 352 00:19:44,413 --> 00:19:45,827 instead of teaching them right from wrong. 353 00:19:45,931 --> 00:19:47,413 -Listen, Eggar, let's get something straight. 354 00:19:47,517 --> 00:19:49,896 I'll take care of my job, and you take care of yours. 355 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,344 Mine is to plan the work details 356 00:19:51,448 --> 00:19:52,931 and yours is to get me there. 357 00:19:53,034 --> 00:19:54,482 -What the hell you think they're gonna do out there 358 00:19:54,586 --> 00:19:55,862 in the woods with girls, huh? 359 00:19:55,965 --> 00:19:57,000 Pray?! 360 00:19:58,724 --> 00:20:00,103 -Shit! 361 00:20:01,551 --> 00:20:03,310 -Here we are, boys. 362 00:20:04,413 --> 00:20:06,413 Let's see what we got here. 363 00:20:10,586 --> 00:20:11,655 -Come on. Cool it. 364 00:20:11,758 --> 00:20:13,344 -Man. -Morning, sir. 365 00:20:14,655 --> 00:20:16,758 -Shh! -Mm. Mama looks good. 366 00:20:16,862 --> 00:20:18,241 -Hey-- 367 00:20:18,344 --> 00:20:19,931 -Calm down. 368 00:20:22,620 --> 00:20:24,413 -Thank you. 369 00:20:24,517 --> 00:20:26,862 It's a really nice house you have here. 370 00:20:28,620 --> 00:20:30,068 Automotive. -I understand. 371 00:20:30,172 --> 00:20:32,172 -These are my boys from the camp. 372 00:20:32,275 --> 00:20:34,000 Why don't you go back on the bus? 373 00:20:35,379 --> 00:20:37,068 -Bye, dear. -Bye, Mom. 374 00:20:37,172 --> 00:20:38,379 Bye, Daddy. 375 00:20:38,482 --> 00:20:40,068 -What about that missing couple? 376 00:20:40,172 --> 00:20:41,896 -It'll be okay. There's three adults. 377 00:20:42,965 --> 00:20:44,827 -Got more rounds than the navy. 378 00:20:46,482 --> 00:20:47,965 -Leave her alone. 379 00:20:48,068 --> 00:20:49,172 -You girls sit over here with me. 380 00:20:49,275 --> 00:20:51,862 -Oh, shit. -Okay. All right. 381 00:20:51,965 --> 00:20:53,448 -We're gonna take real good care of 382 00:20:53,551 --> 00:20:56,137 your daughters here, don't you worry about anything. 383 00:20:56,241 --> 00:20:57,758 Yeah! 384 00:21:02,275 --> 00:21:06,379 -♪ Three blind mice, three blind mice ♪ 385 00:21:06,482 --> 00:21:10,620 ♪ Three blind mice, three blind mice ♪ 386 00:21:10,724 --> 00:21:12,758 ♪ They all ran after the farmer's wife ♪ 387 00:21:12,862 --> 00:21:14,965 ♪ Who cut off their tails with a... ♪ 388 00:21:15,068 --> 00:21:18,482 -♪ Three blind mice, three blind mice ♪ 389 00:21:20,827 --> 00:21:22,724 -Hallelujah! -♪ Three blind mice ♪ 390 00:21:22,827 --> 00:21:25,068 -♪ Three blind mice ♪ 391 00:21:25,172 --> 00:21:27,068 ♪ They all ran after the farmer's wife ♪ 392 00:21:27,172 --> 00:21:29,068 ♪ Who cut off their tails with a carving knife ♪ 393 00:21:33,206 --> 00:21:35,310 ♪ Three blind mice ♪ 394 00:21:35,413 --> 00:21:37,793 ♪ Three blind mice ♪ 395 00:21:37,896 --> 00:21:39,965 ♪ See how they run ♪ 396 00:21:50,965 --> 00:21:52,689 -The bus will take us to this point here. 397 00:21:52,793 --> 00:21:53,793 -That'll be work site. -That's where 398 00:21:53,896 --> 00:21:54,931 we're going to work, yeah. 399 00:21:55,034 --> 00:21:56,344 -Where's the work site? -Right there. 400 00:21:56,448 --> 00:21:57,931 We're going to clear the stream for fish and game. 401 00:21:58,034 --> 00:21:59,827 -Wait a minute, ain't that where you took us before? 402 00:21:59,931 --> 00:22:01,482 -Mm-hmm. -That's a long way in there. 403 00:22:01,586 --> 00:22:03,034 -Yeah, it's about 30 miles deeper in. 404 00:22:03,137 --> 00:22:05,103 -Yeah, we're gonna hike about 15 miles down 405 00:22:05,206 --> 00:22:07,137 to a place called Mill Creek. 406 00:22:07,241 --> 00:22:09,620 And then the rafts will meet us there at the forestry outpost. 407 00:22:09,724 --> 00:22:10,965 -How do the rafts get there? 408 00:22:11,068 --> 00:22:12,482 -Oh, well, Eggar will take them. 409 00:22:12,586 --> 00:22:14,000 He'll meet us there with the bus. 410 00:22:14,103 --> 00:22:16,862 Then we're gonna raft about 30 miles down to a place that-- 411 00:22:16,965 --> 00:22:18,689 What's the name of that place you told me about? 412 00:22:18,793 --> 00:22:20,172 -Happy Camp. -What kind of bear 413 00:22:20,275 --> 00:22:21,758 they got up there? -Big. 414 00:22:21,862 --> 00:22:23,241 -You mean your girl's gonna work with us? 415 00:22:23,344 --> 00:22:24,586 -Oh, yeah. 416 00:22:24,689 --> 00:22:26,310 -Does anyone really know the way? 417 00:22:26,413 --> 00:22:28,931 -Hey, Melanie. -Are there any deer there? 418 00:22:29,034 --> 00:22:31,758 -Look, all I can tell you is it's wild, 419 00:22:31,862 --> 00:22:34,344 it's practically untouched, and you're going to love it. 420 00:22:34,448 --> 00:22:36,137 It's really beautiful. You're just going to love it. 421 00:22:36,241 --> 00:22:38,379 -Ain't no reason to be there. Trails don't need no clearing 422 00:22:38,482 --> 00:22:40,103 and the streams ain't no good. 423 00:22:40,206 --> 00:22:41,965 Lot of wild animals. You girls ain't never been up there. 424 00:22:42,068 --> 00:22:43,034 You going to have a lot of trouble with these 425 00:22:43,137 --> 00:22:44,586 dried out trees. 426 00:22:44,689 --> 00:22:47,448 Logs keep falling down, branches and stuff. 427 00:22:47,551 --> 00:22:48,689 Couple friends of mine got hurt up there 428 00:22:48,793 --> 00:22:51,000 a couple years ago, one man was killed. 429 00:22:51,103 --> 00:22:53,724 Now, I know a stretch, a patch about 30 miles north of 430 00:22:53,827 --> 00:22:56,137 here that would be a lot easier for y'all to get through. 431 00:22:56,241 --> 00:22:58,000 We got a lot of nice streaming up there, 432 00:22:58,103 --> 00:22:59,586 and y'all will have a better time 433 00:22:59,689 --> 00:23:01,482 doing it that way and nobody get hurt. 434 00:23:01,586 --> 00:23:03,965 If I do get you up there, y'all going to be bitching and moaning 435 00:23:04,068 --> 00:23:06,482 about how dark it is and how rough it is. 436 00:23:06,586 --> 00:23:08,344 Come 12:00, midnight, I won't be there to help y'all. 437 00:23:08,448 --> 00:23:10,413 -Eggar, why don't you just drive the bus all right? 438 00:23:10,517 --> 00:23:11,724 -I'm just warning you. 439 00:23:11,827 --> 00:23:13,517 Somebody's going to get hurt. you do that. 440 00:23:13,620 --> 00:23:15,310 -I'm going to tell them, Eggar. -Shut up back there! 441 00:23:15,413 --> 00:23:16,413 -I'm going to tell them all about you. 442 00:23:16,517 --> 00:23:17,517 -You hear me, Zorich? 443 00:23:17,620 --> 00:23:20,000 I ain't going to take your shit no more! 444 00:23:20,103 --> 00:23:22,551 You hear me? 445 00:23:26,137 --> 00:23:28,931 -Hey, Eggar, isn't that your old home? 446 00:23:31,724 --> 00:23:34,724 -You know what that is, Windy? A mental institution. 447 00:23:58,862 --> 00:24:00,793 -Don't put that there. -Where's your gloves, goddammit? 448 00:24:00,896 --> 00:24:01,965 -Come on. 449 00:24:02,068 --> 00:24:03,517 -Boone, wear your gloves next time! 450 00:24:03,620 --> 00:24:05,310 Shit. 451 00:24:05,413 --> 00:24:07,793 -You'll be much more comfortable if you wear them, darling. 452 00:24:07,896 --> 00:24:08,896 Here. 453 00:24:11,172 --> 00:24:12,206 -You do that on purpose? 454 00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:13,448 It ain't funny, goddammit! 455 00:24:13,551 --> 00:24:15,965 That's how people get hurt! 456 00:24:17,413 --> 00:24:19,103 -Hey, Eggar! -Leave me alone. 457 00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:22,068 -Shit. -Hey, Eggar! 458 00:24:22,172 --> 00:24:23,310 Come on, Eggar! 459 00:24:23,413 --> 00:24:25,931 -Cut your shit out, out here! 460 00:24:26,655 --> 00:24:28,655 -Whoo! 461 00:24:28,758 --> 00:24:29,862 Eggar! 462 00:24:29,965 --> 00:24:32,517 Oh, it's beautiful! 463 00:24:32,620 --> 00:24:34,517 Oh, wow. 464 00:24:36,379 --> 00:24:37,793 -Hey, Simple! 465 00:24:37,896 --> 00:24:39,137 Boats stay on the bus. 466 00:24:39,241 --> 00:24:40,275 How you supposed to get downstream? 467 00:24:40,379 --> 00:24:41,620 Now come on, get down there. 468 00:24:41,724 --> 00:24:44,206 We got a stream to clear. Let's go, let's go. 469 00:24:47,137 --> 00:24:48,758 Pick up that box. 470 00:24:51,068 --> 00:24:52,448 Hey! What you doing? 471 00:24:52,551 --> 00:24:53,896 Just go on, I'll take care of that. 472 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:54,896 Get that out of here. 473 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,000 Go ahead! 474 00:24:56,103 --> 00:24:57,586 -Hey, man, why don't you get off my back? 475 00:24:57,689 --> 00:24:59,413 -You keep walking. You just keep walking. 476 00:24:59,517 --> 00:25:01,000 -Fool. 477 00:25:16,689 --> 00:25:18,137 -Hey. 478 00:25:18,241 --> 00:25:20,965 Gold, gold! 479 00:25:22,413 --> 00:25:26,172 -It's real? -Oh, no, hardly. 480 00:25:26,896 --> 00:25:28,862 -Hey, city boy. 481 00:25:54,068 --> 00:25:55,172 -Hey, Mike! 482 00:25:55,275 --> 00:25:57,137 Why don't you give these guys a break? 483 00:25:57,241 --> 00:25:58,137 -Hey! 484 00:25:58,241 --> 00:25:59,172 Hey you guys, take a break. 485 00:25:59,275 --> 00:26:01,310 Take 5. 486 00:26:11,689 --> 00:26:13,206 -So tell me. 487 00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:15,827 How much dope they grow around here? 488 00:26:21,655 --> 00:26:24,517 Come on, give me a break! 489 00:26:24,620 --> 00:26:27,551 I bet you guys got plenty of stuff growing around here. 490 00:26:27,655 --> 00:26:28,689 What, you think the mad Romanian's going to 491 00:26:28,793 --> 00:26:29,724 turn you guys in? 492 00:26:29,827 --> 00:26:31,586 -Hey, you Romanian jerk. 493 00:26:31,689 --> 00:26:33,275 You start messing with somebody else's crop, 494 00:26:33,379 --> 00:26:35,034 you're going to get your ass blown away. 495 00:26:35,137 --> 00:26:36,758 You think that's funny? 496 00:26:36,862 --> 00:26:38,206 We got too close once, one of them hippie guys 497 00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:39,896 came out with an M16. 498 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,896 -Hey, city boy. Want to try some knuckle brew? 499 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,724 -How about some of my stash? 500 00:26:45,827 --> 00:26:47,379 -Naw, give it to Eggar. 501 00:26:47,482 --> 00:26:49,827 -Well, I ain't got no brain cells. 502 00:26:49,931 --> 00:26:51,172 He can't get high. 503 00:26:55,379 --> 00:26:58,034 -You little peckers keep up that horse shit, 504 00:26:58,137 --> 00:27:00,896 and I'm going to strand your butts out there. 505 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,793 I remember a wise ass butt just like you, Zorich. 506 00:27:03,896 --> 00:27:06,586 And he was pestering like y'all been doing. 507 00:27:06,689 --> 00:27:08,896 One night I took him. 508 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,413 Way up there in the hills. 509 00:27:10,517 --> 00:27:13,758 And I tied him down so nobody could find him. 510 00:27:14,724 --> 00:27:17,965 Because I about had it with his horse shit. 511 00:27:19,448 --> 00:27:21,551 And I left him there. 512 00:27:22,793 --> 00:27:25,793 And ain't nobody ever found him since. 513 00:27:27,103 --> 00:27:28,413 Y'all hear me now? 514 00:27:30,827 --> 00:27:31,862 You all hear me now? 515 00:27:36,862 --> 00:27:39,344 -I'll kill you! I'll kill you! 516 00:27:39,448 --> 00:27:42,793 -Don't ever come back! Don't ever come back! 517 00:27:47,620 --> 00:27:50,586 -Oh, Mike, they told me that one in kindergarten. 518 00:27:50,689 --> 00:27:52,793 -Okay, Boone. It's your turn. 519 00:27:52,896 --> 00:27:55,310 -Come on, your turn. -Oh, come on, Rich! 520 00:27:55,413 --> 00:27:57,413 -Tell it, go on man. Go ahead. 521 00:27:57,517 --> 00:28:00,275 -You don't have to be bashful. -Come on, Boone. 522 00:28:00,379 --> 00:28:02,793 -I'll get the wood. 523 00:28:06,758 --> 00:28:08,413 -Okay. 524 00:28:09,931 --> 00:28:16,000 So once upon a time, not too long ago, 525 00:28:16,103 --> 00:28:19,172 this used to be a logging camp, right here. 526 00:28:20,206 --> 00:28:23,517 There was this little sweet 14 year old girl 527 00:28:23,620 --> 00:28:27,137 who lived here with a big family. 528 00:28:27,241 --> 00:28:28,689 And her father died. 529 00:28:28,793 --> 00:28:31,413 So her uncle came to take care of the place. 530 00:28:31,517 --> 00:28:33,172 And he was a lumberjack. 531 00:28:33,275 --> 00:28:36,172 And he was a mean son of a bitch. 532 00:28:36,275 --> 00:28:38,068 Mean, boy. 533 00:28:40,103 --> 00:28:46,827 And one night this uncle said, "Hey Susie Q." 534 00:28:46,931 --> 00:28:50,103 "You want to go for a little walk in the woods?" 535 00:28:51,586 --> 00:28:53,896 So he took her on one of these trails, here. 536 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,689 Way far out, you know, like we are. 537 00:28:56,793 --> 00:29:00,206 And he raped her. 538 00:29:00,310 --> 00:29:03,206 She screamed, but nobody could hear her. 539 00:29:05,068 --> 00:29:08,068 She had to keep all this inside after the rape. 540 00:29:08,172 --> 00:29:10,137 Because she couldn't tell anybody because, you know, 541 00:29:10,241 --> 00:29:11,482 he was supporting the family. 542 00:29:11,586 --> 00:29:13,448 She was afraid to. 543 00:29:13,551 --> 00:29:16,482 So she started going crazy. 544 00:29:16,586 --> 00:29:20,482 So what they done is, they put her in a mental institution. 545 00:29:20,586 --> 00:29:23,724 You know that one we passed on the way down here? 546 00:29:23,827 --> 00:29:25,896 And while she's in the hospital, 547 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,413 they find out that she's pregnant. 548 00:29:30,206 --> 00:29:32,310 So she has this little baby boy. 549 00:29:32,413 --> 00:29:33,965 But the doctor says, 550 00:29:34,068 --> 00:29:36,724 "Well, she's too messed up to take care of the kid." 551 00:29:36,827 --> 00:29:39,620 So they take the baby away from her. 552 00:29:39,724 --> 00:29:43,965 Okay, so 19 years later, this young kid, 553 00:29:44,068 --> 00:29:48,689 just about my age, shows up down there at the hospital. 554 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,551 He wants to see this lady. 555 00:29:52,655 --> 00:29:54,724 So they let him in. 556 00:29:55,482 --> 00:29:57,448 And he goes crazy. 557 00:29:57,551 --> 00:29:59,758 I mean, he just freaks out. 558 00:29:59,862 --> 00:30:01,068 He says, "You can't treat my mama 559 00:30:01,172 --> 00:30:03,965 like this, you can't keep her in this garbage can!" 560 00:30:04,068 --> 00:30:06,965 It was her son. He just stole her right out of the place. 561 00:30:07,068 --> 00:30:08,862 Just took her. 562 00:30:09,965 --> 00:30:13,275 But she was so crazy, you know, 563 00:30:13,379 --> 00:30:15,172 that he didn't know what to do with her. 564 00:30:15,275 --> 00:30:17,965 So he put her out here in these woods 565 00:30:18,068 --> 00:30:21,068 so she could live in peace, you know. 566 00:30:21,172 --> 00:30:23,310 But the story goes is that whenever 567 00:30:23,413 --> 00:30:26,758 anybody camps out around here, 568 00:30:26,862 --> 00:30:32,448 she sneaks into your camp, and she whispers to you. 569 00:30:32,551 --> 00:30:34,275 She bends down over you, and, man, you can just 570 00:30:34,379 --> 00:30:36,413 smell her breathing on you, you can feel it. 571 00:30:36,517 --> 00:30:42,241 And she says, "Who stole my lamb?" 572 00:30:43,517 --> 00:30:45,931 "Who stole my --" 573 00:31:02,068 --> 00:31:04,310 -What the hell you telling stories like that for, huh, boy? 574 00:31:04,413 --> 00:31:06,793 What the hell you doing like that? Huh? 575 00:31:06,896 --> 00:31:08,310 Scaring these girls half to death! 576 00:31:08,413 --> 00:31:10,793 -Eggar, it ain't your turn. 577 00:31:10,896 --> 00:31:12,862 -You think that's funny? Huh? 578 00:31:12,965 --> 00:31:16,275 -Eggar! -I ought to cut your tongue out. 579 00:31:16,379 --> 00:31:19,517 -You shit! -Hey, Eggar. 580 00:31:19,620 --> 00:31:21,931 I want to talk to you. 581 00:31:22,034 --> 00:31:23,517 Privately. 582 00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:25,275 -Don't need to talk about anything. 583 00:31:25,379 --> 00:31:27,448 Get your stuff ready. I'm leaving now. 584 00:31:27,551 --> 00:31:28,862 -Fine. 585 00:31:28,965 --> 00:31:30,586 Just be sure you get the boats there 586 00:31:30,689 --> 00:31:32,310 when they're supposed to be. 587 00:31:33,551 --> 00:31:35,482 Let's get everything on the bus that's going on it. 588 00:31:35,586 --> 00:31:38,620 It's leaving now. -Where's my hat? 589 00:31:39,206 --> 00:31:41,310 -We'll be rid of him. 590 00:31:54,724 --> 00:31:57,586 -Okay, that's Joe Pantoliano as the disagreeable bus driver. 591 00:31:57,689 --> 00:31:59,586 Joey Pants, they call him. 592 00:31:59,689 --> 00:32:01,655 He would become famous on "The Sopranos" 593 00:32:01,758 --> 00:32:02,862 as Ralphie Cifaretto, 594 00:32:02,965 --> 00:32:05,724 but also dozens of other character roles. 595 00:32:05,827 --> 00:32:07,482 The director, Andrew Davis, 596 00:32:07,586 --> 00:32:09,275 said Joe was the most scared of the woods 597 00:32:09,379 --> 00:32:10,655 of anybody in the cast. 598 00:32:10,758 --> 00:32:12,137 He grew up in New York City 599 00:32:12,241 --> 00:32:13,758 and was more comfortable on the streets. 600 00:32:13,862 --> 00:32:15,793 He was really spooked by the outdoors. 601 00:32:15,896 --> 00:32:19,000 But anyway, he's just one of several actors here 602 00:32:19,103 --> 00:32:21,896 who would go on to incredibly long and storied careers, 603 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,379 but most of them stopped putting "The Final Terror" 604 00:32:24,482 --> 00:32:25,827 on their résumés. 605 00:32:25,931 --> 00:32:27,827 And our guest tonight, 606 00:32:27,931 --> 00:32:30,551 C. Robert Cargill, says that was a huge mistake. 607 00:32:30,655 --> 00:32:32,827 So come on out here, Cargill. 608 00:32:32,931 --> 00:32:35,586 And, uh, because we want you to 609 00:32:35,689 --> 00:32:37,068 explain yourself. 610 00:32:37,172 --> 00:32:39,310 But welcome to "The Last Drive-In." 611 00:32:39,413 --> 00:32:40,689 -Welcome. -Well, thank you. 612 00:32:40,793 --> 00:32:44,068 -All right. Now, the main reason you're here 613 00:32:44,172 --> 00:32:46,379 is "Black Phone 2" is coming out this month. 614 00:32:46,482 --> 00:32:48,413 Did Ethan Hawke find another little leaguer 615 00:32:48,517 --> 00:32:50,000 to kidnap and torture? 616 00:32:50,103 --> 00:32:52,206 -Uh, no. No. Not exactly. -Okay. 617 00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:56,000 -No, Ethan Hawke's character, The Grabber, is dead. 618 00:32:56,103 --> 00:33:00,344 Uh, but since it's a movie about people who can talk to the dead, 619 00:33:00,448 --> 00:33:02,034 that doesn't mean the series has to end. 620 00:33:02,137 --> 00:33:04,827 -Okay, because I thought you got at least nine potential victims 621 00:33:04,931 --> 00:33:06,379 just on that little league baseball team. 622 00:33:06,482 --> 00:33:08,896 So you're set for sequels. Anyway... 623 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,965 Um, we'll talk about that later. 624 00:33:11,068 --> 00:33:16,793 But you think "The Final Terror" is a work of genius. 625 00:33:16,896 --> 00:33:22,241 Why? Why, Cargill? Why? Explain that. 626 00:33:22,344 --> 00:33:26,827 -I think it is a fascinating artifact of filmmaking, 627 00:33:26,931 --> 00:33:28,827 specifically of an era 628 00:33:28,931 --> 00:33:30,551 and an era that the three of us are all obsessed with. 629 00:33:30,655 --> 00:33:32,965 Um, this is a movie that comes out of -- 630 00:33:33,068 --> 00:33:34,827 It's made in 1981. 631 00:33:34,931 --> 00:33:36,275 It is, you know, they shoot in the fall of '81. 632 00:33:36,379 --> 00:33:38,620 '81, of course, the notorious year 633 00:33:38,724 --> 00:33:41,137 where "Friday the 13th" had come out the year before. 634 00:33:41,241 --> 00:33:45,344 And then we get 34 to 36 slashers the next year. 635 00:33:45,448 --> 00:33:47,275 Everybody's seeing slashers, 636 00:33:47,379 --> 00:33:50,655 and this movie feels like a reaction to that 637 00:33:50,758 --> 00:33:52,862 in the most interesting way. 638 00:33:52,965 --> 00:33:55,517 -Because it's number 35 out of number 36? 639 00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:59,482 -No, in that I feel like they sat there in the theaters 640 00:33:59,586 --> 00:34:01,413 in Times Square, 641 00:34:01,517 --> 00:34:04,620 uh, watching this movie, listening to the heckling 642 00:34:04,724 --> 00:34:06,793 and going, "We're going to make one of these, 643 00:34:06,896 --> 00:34:08,896 but we're going to make one so smart 644 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,620 that they won't be able to heckle it." 645 00:34:11,724 --> 00:34:13,793 And the problem is, when you make a movie so smart 646 00:34:13,896 --> 00:34:15,655 that the audience can't heckle it, 647 00:34:15,758 --> 00:34:17,758 you end up with a movie that doesn't do everything 648 00:34:17,862 --> 00:34:19,620 that the audience wants out of that movie. 649 00:34:19,724 --> 00:34:21,517 -You're saying that the audience 650 00:34:21,620 --> 00:34:26,172 in the Times Square grindhouse was so intelligent 651 00:34:26,275 --> 00:34:29,172 that a filmmaker decided 652 00:34:29,275 --> 00:34:31,379 to make a movie for them. 653 00:34:31,482 --> 00:34:34,551 -I don't know that "intelligent" is the word 654 00:34:34,655 --> 00:34:38,275 I was grasping, but let's go with intelligent. 655 00:34:38,379 --> 00:34:40,655 -Andrew Davis is the director. Do you know him? 656 00:34:40,758 --> 00:34:42,689 -Oh, yeah. Well, not personally, 657 00:34:42,793 --> 00:34:44,586 but I mean, he went on to an incredible career. 658 00:34:44,689 --> 00:34:47,137 -Oh, he got the Best Picture Oscar for "The Fugitive." 659 00:34:47,241 --> 00:34:49,448 He became one of our A-list action directors. 660 00:34:49,551 --> 00:34:52,275 Movies like "Code of Silence" with Chuck Norris. 661 00:34:52,379 --> 00:34:55,344 Uh, Steven Seagal's first film, "Above the Law." 662 00:34:55,448 --> 00:34:57,172 "Collateral Damage" with Schwarzenegger. 663 00:34:57,275 --> 00:34:58,758 Big movies. -Yeah. 664 00:34:58,862 --> 00:35:00,793 "The Package" -- Gene Hackman and Tommy Lee Jones. 665 00:35:00,896 --> 00:35:04,586 Uh, "Chain Reaction" with Keanu Reeves and Morgan Freeman. 666 00:35:04,689 --> 00:35:07,103 But at the time this movie was made, 667 00:35:07,206 --> 00:35:11,172 he was known as the cinematographer for Gene Corman, 668 00:35:11,275 --> 00:35:13,482 not even Roger Corman. 669 00:35:13,586 --> 00:35:17,620 Roger's lesser known brother, Gene Corman. 670 00:35:17,724 --> 00:35:21,068 And Charles Band, our friend Charles Band. 671 00:35:21,172 --> 00:35:23,137 And Menahem Golan. 672 00:35:23,241 --> 00:35:26,931 All the B-movie producers loved him as a cameraman. 673 00:35:27,034 --> 00:35:28,793 -Yeah. -I guess -- what? 674 00:35:28,896 --> 00:35:31,103 He was fast? What was the deal? -Also gorgeous. 675 00:35:31,206 --> 00:35:33,379 Like, look at a lot of the shots in this movie. 676 00:35:33,482 --> 00:35:35,758 We're going to, especially as we get further into the movie, 677 00:35:35,862 --> 00:35:39,103 especially the back third of this movie. 678 00:35:39,206 --> 00:35:42,103 You don't have slasher movies that look gorgeous like this. 679 00:35:42,206 --> 00:35:44,827 Like, you're you were talking about, 680 00:35:44,931 --> 00:35:46,931 you know, the great redwood forests in this movie. 681 00:35:47,034 --> 00:35:48,862 And they look spectacular here. 682 00:35:48,965 --> 00:35:52,068 We're seeing our actors so tiny in the distance, 683 00:35:52,172 --> 00:35:54,275 walking through this majestic wonderland. 684 00:35:54,379 --> 00:35:57,206 And most of the films that were being made at the time 685 00:35:57,310 --> 00:35:59,965 that were being made as cheap as this movie was, 686 00:36:00,068 --> 00:36:02,172 look small and contained. 687 00:36:02,275 --> 00:36:03,862 And he was like, "No, we're going to make it big. 688 00:36:03,965 --> 00:36:05,379 We're going to make it look expensive." 689 00:36:05,482 --> 00:36:08,068 -But you know what it means when you say, how was the movie? 690 00:36:08,172 --> 00:36:11,344 And somebody says, "I love I love the cinematography." 691 00:36:11,448 --> 00:36:12,758 You know, come on. 692 00:36:12,862 --> 00:36:14,034 -Well, look, there's a reason 693 00:36:14,137 --> 00:36:15,655 why it's only one person's favorite. 694 00:36:15,758 --> 00:36:16,758 And that person is me. -All right. 695 00:36:16,862 --> 00:36:18,172 -You know? 696 00:36:18,275 --> 00:36:19,551 -You're selling me on it, though. 697 00:36:19,655 --> 00:36:20,793 Now we should point out, 698 00:36:20,896 --> 00:36:22,379 Since we're talking about Andrew Davis, 699 00:36:22,482 --> 00:36:24,068 we should point out that the first two kills in the movie 700 00:36:24,172 --> 00:36:25,724 were not directed by Andrew Davis. 701 00:36:25,827 --> 00:36:27,379 That was the producers, 702 00:36:27,482 --> 00:36:29,448 Sam Arkoff and Joe Roth deciding, hey, 703 00:36:29,551 --> 00:36:31,379 we need more kills in this movie. 704 00:36:31,482 --> 00:36:34,275 So they shot those scenes in some random wooded area 705 00:36:34,379 --> 00:36:36,275 outside LA, 706 00:36:36,379 --> 00:36:41,206 and actually the stunt woman that they killed in that, 707 00:36:41,310 --> 00:36:43,793 I think she was killed by tin can lids. 708 00:36:43,896 --> 00:36:46,034 -Mm-hmm. The first clue in the movie. 709 00:36:46,137 --> 00:36:48,034 -Booby trap tin can lids. 710 00:36:48,137 --> 00:36:49,758 She doesn't even match Lori Butler, 711 00:36:49,862 --> 00:36:52,103 the actress who was on the motorcycle. 712 00:36:52,206 --> 00:36:54,413 Right? -No. Not at all. No. 713 00:36:54,517 --> 00:36:57,931 In fact, one of the -- to go to the point 714 00:36:58,034 --> 00:36:59,758 that one of the things I do love about this movie 715 00:36:59,862 --> 00:37:02,000 is every little detail in this movie 716 00:37:02,103 --> 00:37:03,793 that ended up staying, because they shot a lot of stuff 717 00:37:03,896 --> 00:37:05,689 and cut it down to 83 minutes, 718 00:37:05,793 --> 00:37:09,206 but every detail paints a picture and tells you a story 719 00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:11,172 that you can go back a second time 720 00:37:11,275 --> 00:37:12,586 and see the story all the way through. 721 00:37:12,689 --> 00:37:14,172 So those tin can lids -- 722 00:37:14,275 --> 00:37:15,551 -Those tin can lids are important? 723 00:37:15,655 --> 00:37:17,034 -Yes. -For the rest of the story? 724 00:37:17,137 --> 00:37:18,896 -Yes, they tell you who the killer is. 725 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,896 -Okay. -The killer is forecast by 726 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,137 the tin can lids. 727 00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:26,862 All right, all right. 728 00:37:26,965 --> 00:37:28,758 -Wait till wait till the seemingly -- 729 00:37:28,862 --> 00:37:30,172 -All right, you tell me. 730 00:37:30,275 --> 00:37:33,068 You tell me when the tin can lid flashback moment comes. 731 00:37:33,172 --> 00:37:34,931 -Hold on. It's already happened. 732 00:37:35,034 --> 00:37:37,758 We already have what seems like an innocuous scene 733 00:37:37,862 --> 00:37:40,586 of a woman talking about all these missing peaches 734 00:37:40,689 --> 00:37:42,655 from her pantry. 735 00:37:42,758 --> 00:37:45,000 Um, then she's like, "No, I'm not going to be 736 00:37:45,103 --> 00:37:46,793 responsible for these 10 cans of missing peaches." 737 00:37:46,896 --> 00:37:48,206 Where did the missing peaches go? 738 00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:49,551 Why do we care about missing peaches? 739 00:37:49,655 --> 00:37:51,275 -That's the tin can lids in the first scene 740 00:37:51,379 --> 00:37:53,103 that Andrew Davis did not shoot. 741 00:37:53,206 --> 00:37:55,379 All that stuff was shot while Andrew Davis was 742 00:37:55,482 --> 00:37:57,413 at a film festival. 743 00:37:57,517 --> 00:38:01,103 And that was a definite no-no and a violation of union rules. 744 00:38:01,206 --> 00:38:02,827 You can't do that to a director. 745 00:38:02,931 --> 00:38:05,620 And so Samuel Arkoff had to pay Andrew Davis 746 00:38:05,724 --> 00:38:07,931 quite a little tidy sum for doing that. 747 00:38:08,034 --> 00:38:10,655 And Davis said it paid for his wedding. 748 00:38:10,758 --> 00:38:14,103 But the main thing that Andrew Davis did 749 00:38:14,206 --> 00:38:16,241 when he was planning to make the movie, 750 00:38:16,344 --> 00:38:19,206 He went scouting for locations in a plane. 751 00:38:19,310 --> 00:38:21,275 He and Joe Roth flew over -- 752 00:38:21,379 --> 00:38:23,275 He said they flew over Mount Saint Helens, 753 00:38:23,379 --> 00:38:25,793 which seems to be quite a distance from here, 754 00:38:25,896 --> 00:38:27,724 when it was still erupting. 755 00:38:27,827 --> 00:38:29,689 So that means it was May of 1980, 756 00:38:29,793 --> 00:38:32,517 when he was first scouting locations. 757 00:38:32,620 --> 00:38:36,965 And eventually he found the Jedediah Smith Redwood Park east 758 00:38:37,068 --> 00:38:40,793 of Crescent City, California, near the Oregon border, 759 00:38:40,896 --> 00:38:43,517 and specifically a part of it called Stout Grove, 760 00:38:43,620 --> 00:38:46,586 which is a redwood forest that was never logged. 761 00:38:46,689 --> 00:38:52,413 So they have these 300 foot trees that are 2,500 years old. 762 00:38:52,517 --> 00:38:53,689 Yes, that's what I said. 763 00:38:53,793 --> 00:38:55,965 -2,500 years old. -Wow! 2,500, you say? 764 00:38:56,068 --> 00:38:59,758 -And it takes two hours to get there on foot, 765 00:38:59,862 --> 00:39:01,655 which is probably not something 766 00:39:01,758 --> 00:39:03,758 most film crews would want to do. 767 00:39:03,862 --> 00:39:05,517 Um, and people consider it the world's 768 00:39:05,620 --> 00:39:07,172 most scenic stand of redwoods. 769 00:39:07,275 --> 00:39:09,172 It's located on a small floodplain 770 00:39:09,275 --> 00:39:11,517 where these two rivers meet, the Smith River and Mill Creek. 771 00:39:11,620 --> 00:39:14,551 Smith River being the last free flowing, 772 00:39:14,655 --> 00:39:16,931 never dammed river in California, 773 00:39:17,034 --> 00:39:21,413 still a wild river, spawning ground for salmon and trout. 774 00:39:21,517 --> 00:39:22,931 And if you ask Andrew Davis about it today, 775 00:39:23,034 --> 00:39:24,827 he'll tell you discovering 776 00:39:24,931 --> 00:39:26,344 that place was the best part of making the film, 777 00:39:26,448 --> 00:39:28,034 because he's gone there every year since 778 00:39:28,137 --> 00:39:29,793 on vacation. He just loves that place. 779 00:39:29,896 --> 00:39:31,896 So, Cargill, 780 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,034 don't you think there is some scenery chewing going on here? 781 00:39:35,137 --> 00:39:37,000 -There's a lot of scenery chewing going on. 782 00:39:37,103 --> 00:39:38,310 Oh, yeah. 783 00:39:38,413 --> 00:39:40,172 Oh, this is one of the other things 784 00:39:40,275 --> 00:39:42,931 I love about this movie so much, because there are many. 785 00:39:43,034 --> 00:39:48,137 But Joey Pants, Joe Pantoliano, is let off the chain in this 786 00:39:48,241 --> 00:39:51,448 in a way he's never allowed in the rest of his filmography. 787 00:39:51,551 --> 00:39:52,655 Like, he's amazing. 788 00:39:52,758 --> 00:39:54,068 And as you talked about, you know, 789 00:39:54,172 --> 00:39:55,586 he's best known for "Sopranos." 790 00:39:55,689 --> 00:39:57,413 You know, a lot of Gen Xers 791 00:39:57,517 --> 00:39:59,344 will know him from things like "The Goonies." 792 00:39:59,448 --> 00:40:01,965 Um, you know, of course, in "The Matrix", 793 00:40:02,068 --> 00:40:03,896 you know, lots of really great roles. 794 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,413 But always they let his charm kind of come out, 795 00:40:07,517 --> 00:40:10,655 and they let his humor come out, his charm come out. 796 00:40:10,758 --> 00:40:14,344 Here is a young actor chewing up every bit of scenery 797 00:40:14,448 --> 00:40:16,068 he can find and spitting it out. 798 00:40:16,172 --> 00:40:18,793 And, oh, boy, does he go for it in this movie. 799 00:40:18,896 --> 00:40:20,586 -And Zorich. 800 00:40:20,689 --> 00:40:24,586 -Oh, well, and Zorich. Zorich is something that I love 801 00:40:24,689 --> 00:40:27,206 that's an under-used trope of horror films, 802 00:40:27,310 --> 00:40:30,344 when you don't just have someone psychotic, um, 803 00:40:30,448 --> 00:40:31,586 stalking you, 804 00:40:31,689 --> 00:40:33,655 you have someone psychotic in the party 805 00:40:33,758 --> 00:40:36,689 who is your greatest weapon against the psychotic person. 806 00:40:36,793 --> 00:40:38,034 -So you have two screaming actors. 807 00:40:38,137 --> 00:40:39,724 -Absolutely going nuts. 808 00:40:39,827 --> 00:40:41,068 -All right, well, back to the movie. 809 00:40:41,172 --> 00:40:42,413 We're going to go back to the movie. 810 00:40:42,517 --> 00:40:44,172 We're going to get you to go deeper 811 00:40:44,275 --> 00:40:47,482 as a professional screenwriter into the genius 812 00:40:47,586 --> 00:40:49,172 of "The Final Terror." 813 00:40:49,275 --> 00:40:51,862 So roll it. 814 00:40:51,965 --> 00:40:54,482 And, Cargill, you have been at every one 815 00:40:54,586 --> 00:40:56,310 of our annual jamboree celebrations. 816 00:40:56,413 --> 00:40:59,931 -All but the first one I sadly missed Mahoning. Sadly. 817 00:41:00,034 --> 00:41:01,551 -The reason I know that is 818 00:41:01,655 --> 00:41:04,862 I know you had a few Dos Equis at the last one. 819 00:41:04,965 --> 00:41:06,931 -A couple. -A few maybe. 820 00:41:07,034 --> 00:41:10,758 -So as a devotee of mind altering substances, 821 00:41:10,862 --> 00:41:13,827 would you have any favorite movies that are better 822 00:41:13,931 --> 00:41:15,586 while under the influence? 823 00:41:15,689 --> 00:41:16,862 -"The Final Terror." 824 00:41:16,965 --> 00:41:18,724 Um... -Yes. 825 00:41:18,827 --> 00:41:20,689 -And I have a story about that, but yes. 826 00:41:20,793 --> 00:41:22,655 -Tell that story. 827 00:41:22,758 --> 00:41:25,517 -Well, I mean, I discovered this movie late at night. 828 00:41:25,620 --> 00:41:27,896 Um, you know, it was the fourth movie in a run. 829 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,448 Uh, my wife Jess had gone to bed, and I was like, 830 00:41:30,551 --> 00:41:32,310 "You know, I've never seen this. 831 00:41:32,413 --> 00:41:34,379 I don't know what it is. The poster looks ridiculous. 832 00:41:34,482 --> 00:41:36,344 Let's put it on and watch it." 833 00:41:36,448 --> 00:41:39,241 And I'm, you know, killing a bottle of whiskey 834 00:41:39,344 --> 00:41:41,137 while I'm doing so. 835 00:41:41,241 --> 00:41:42,862 And I get to the last seven minutes of this movie, 836 00:41:42,965 --> 00:41:46,034 and the movie ends and I go... -No spoilers. 837 00:41:46,137 --> 00:41:48,068 -No, no, no. I go, "That's not the ending. 838 00:41:48,172 --> 00:41:49,448 That's the ending of the movie?" 839 00:41:49,551 --> 00:41:50,931 That's how it -- -Okay. 840 00:41:51,034 --> 00:41:53,275 -And I go back seven minutes and I go, "No, that's 841 00:41:53,379 --> 00:41:55,241 the ending of the movie." 842 00:41:55,344 --> 00:41:57,034 -So, "I guess I love this movie." 843 00:41:57,137 --> 00:41:58,586 -I guess I love this movie. 844 00:41:58,689 --> 00:42:02,137 -Okay. How about you, Darcy? Any mind altering -- 845 00:42:02,241 --> 00:42:04,000 -What? -Do you have any movies 846 00:42:04,103 --> 00:42:06,482 you like better because of mind altering substances? 847 00:42:06,586 --> 00:42:08,793 -Oh, yeah. Pretty much all of them. 848 00:42:08,896 --> 00:42:10,551 -Most of them? -"The Final Terror." 849 00:42:10,655 --> 00:42:12,862 I love "The Final Terror" now. 850 00:42:12,965 --> 00:42:14,482 -You guys hang out. 851 00:42:14,586 --> 00:42:15,965 -You guys hang out together, don't you? 852 00:42:16,068 --> 00:42:18,034 -Well, yeah. Any time she's in Austin. 853 00:42:19,344 --> 00:42:21,034 -I can see why. 854 00:42:29,241 --> 00:42:30,758 -This guy in my neighborhood 855 00:42:30,862 --> 00:42:32,206 made a fortune one week off of some smoke 856 00:42:32,310 --> 00:42:33,862 he bought from a farmer up here. 857 00:42:33,965 --> 00:42:36,724 -We don't buy grass here. We pull it out of the ground. 858 00:42:36,827 --> 00:42:38,241 The only reason you're coming is 859 00:42:38,344 --> 00:42:40,206 because Boone's hot for that chick. 860 00:42:42,827 --> 00:42:44,517 -It's about time! 861 00:42:45,655 --> 00:42:48,172 What took you so damn long? It's freezing up here! 862 00:42:50,793 --> 00:42:52,172 Cerone. 863 00:42:54,275 --> 00:42:57,517 -Where the hell is Boone? -He's got lady plans tonight. 864 00:42:57,620 --> 00:42:59,310 -What the hell you bring him for? 865 00:42:59,413 --> 00:43:00,620 I don't know him from Adam. 866 00:43:00,724 --> 00:43:02,137 What do you need to know? 867 00:43:02,241 --> 00:43:03,965 -Man, it's what you need to know. 868 00:43:05,689 --> 00:43:08,413 Stealing weed ain't like taking candy from a grocery store. 869 00:43:08,517 --> 00:43:09,724 -Hey, where do you think I come from, man? 870 00:43:09,827 --> 00:43:10,896 -Hey, man, I don't care where you come from! 871 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,448 Shut up! 872 00:43:12,551 --> 00:43:14,103 I deal with this stuff on the streets all the time, man. 873 00:43:14,206 --> 00:43:15,586 -Shut up! -I don't know this guy! 874 00:43:15,689 --> 00:43:18,793 -Nathaniel, how's this? 875 00:43:18,896 --> 00:43:20,620 He can be our lookout. 876 00:43:20,724 --> 00:43:22,758 We need someone to cover our ass. 877 00:43:22,862 --> 00:43:24,724 Remember last time? 878 00:43:26,827 --> 00:43:28,724 -All right, all right. 879 00:43:31,689 --> 00:43:33,241 -All right. 880 00:43:34,103 --> 00:43:39,448 You cover our ass tonight, you do a good job of it, 881 00:43:39,551 --> 00:43:43,379 we'll cut you in for 20 percent. 882 00:43:50,310 --> 00:43:52,206 -A third. -Kiss my -- 883 00:43:52,310 --> 00:43:54,724 -Nathaniel, Nathaniel, just hold on. 884 00:43:55,689 --> 00:43:57,413 20 percent. 885 00:43:58,758 --> 00:44:00,793 -Fuck you. -Hey, wait a minute. 886 00:44:00,896 --> 00:44:03,862 Nathaniel, give me 10 minutes with him. 887 00:44:09,034 --> 00:44:11,034 -I'm relying on you. 888 00:44:17,586 --> 00:44:20,931 -All right, a third. 889 00:44:21,034 --> 00:44:23,137 This is the way we do it. 890 00:44:24,448 --> 00:44:28,482 I want you to stay here unless somebody comes. 891 00:44:28,586 --> 00:44:32,620 I want you to howl like a wolf every 45 seconds. 892 00:44:32,724 --> 00:44:34,620 Wait, I know it sounds crazy. 893 00:44:34,724 --> 00:44:37,931 I done it myself before, but it's fool proof. 894 00:44:38,034 --> 00:44:40,448 -Why don't I howl when I do spot somebody? 895 00:44:40,551 --> 00:44:43,310 -You mean to tell me, cracker come up to you, 896 00:44:43,413 --> 00:44:45,517 stick a M16 up your asshole, you're going to say, 897 00:44:45,620 --> 00:44:48,586 "Excuse me, sir, I got to howl like a wolf now?" 898 00:44:49,620 --> 00:44:51,827 Use your head. 899 00:44:52,551 --> 00:44:57,448 It's when the howling stops that we know someone's coming. 900 00:45:01,034 --> 00:45:02,551 -Okay. 901 00:45:03,965 --> 00:45:05,172 -Howl. 902 00:45:05,275 --> 00:45:07,379 -Like a wolf? -A howl? 903 00:45:13,034 --> 00:45:17,137 -You mean that's all you can do for a third? 904 00:45:17,241 --> 00:45:18,206 You can't do better than that? 905 00:45:24,620 --> 00:45:26,793 -You like that? Good. 906 00:45:26,896 --> 00:45:29,551 -Now, don't you let up until we get back. 907 00:45:29,655 --> 00:45:30,620 -How long am I supposed to do this? 908 00:45:30,724 --> 00:45:32,758 -Eh, a couple hours. 909 00:45:32,862 --> 00:45:36,206 You got to remember. You're special. 910 00:45:36,310 --> 00:45:39,379 We never let nobody in for a third before, ever. 911 00:45:43,931 --> 00:45:46,344 -Hey, Zorich? 912 00:45:46,448 --> 00:45:48,482 You're a real generous guy. 913 00:45:49,172 --> 00:45:51,034 -You just keep howling. 914 00:45:59,172 --> 00:46:00,793 -Did he take the bait? -You kidding? 915 00:46:00,896 --> 00:46:03,137 Cerone is dumber than I thought he was. 916 00:47:45,896 --> 00:47:47,000 -Good morning. 917 00:47:47,103 --> 00:47:48,689 -Good morning. 918 00:47:48,793 --> 00:47:50,379 -Rise and shine. 919 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,724 -Yes. 920 00:47:53,827 --> 00:47:55,172 You have to set an example. 921 00:47:55,275 --> 00:47:57,689 -What time is it? 922 00:47:57,793 --> 00:47:59,379 -It's late. 923 00:47:59,482 --> 00:48:03,103 Look, you go get the guys, and I'll go get the girls. 924 00:48:08,034 --> 00:48:10,000 -Hey, you guys! 925 00:48:11,655 --> 00:48:13,206 Get up! 926 00:48:14,137 --> 00:48:15,241 -Come on, girls! 927 00:48:16,344 --> 00:48:17,758 Come on! 928 00:48:21,034 --> 00:48:22,620 Let's go, wake up. Come on. 929 00:48:22,724 --> 00:48:24,034 Come on, girls, let's wake up. 930 00:48:24,137 --> 00:48:25,379 Let's go, come on. 931 00:48:25,482 --> 00:48:27,137 -Hey, Vanessa. -Stop it! 932 00:48:27,241 --> 00:48:29,689 Good heavens, Melanie, take it easy. 933 00:48:29,793 --> 00:48:31,586 -Come on, Windy. 934 00:48:31,689 --> 00:48:33,482 -I didn't sleep a wink. 935 00:48:38,206 --> 00:48:40,793 -Hey, come on, you guys, get up! 936 00:48:41,724 --> 00:48:43,068 Dennis. 937 00:48:43,172 --> 00:48:45,482 Come on, get up, man. 938 00:48:45,586 --> 00:48:48,137 Hey, Nathaniel, rise and shine. 939 00:48:48,241 --> 00:48:49,931 -Rise and shine. -Rise and shine. 940 00:48:50,034 --> 00:48:51,275 -Rise and shine. 941 00:48:51,379 --> 00:48:52,862 -Get up! -Ah, don't! 942 00:48:52,965 --> 00:48:55,413 -Hey, asshole, get up. 943 00:48:55,517 --> 00:48:58,862 Looks like Marco Cerone beat all you guys to the latrine. 944 00:48:58,965 --> 00:49:00,862 -Go bring one of them girls over here. 945 00:49:00,965 --> 00:49:03,000 Come on, get up. 946 00:49:03,103 --> 00:49:04,793 Breakfast is almost ready. 947 00:49:04,896 --> 00:49:08,172 -Ohh, what year is this? 948 00:49:08,689 --> 00:49:11,827 -Hey, Greenie, Windy, come on let's go. 949 00:49:18,068 --> 00:49:20,172 -Night. 950 00:49:20,275 --> 00:49:22,103 -I should have slept over there last night. 951 00:49:28,103 --> 00:49:30,172 -Hey, watch what you're doing. You almost hit my foot. 952 00:49:30,275 --> 00:49:32,482 -Shh, quiet! 953 00:49:34,551 --> 00:49:37,241 -1, 2, 3... 954 00:49:37,344 --> 00:49:39,103 -Marco! 955 00:49:41,310 --> 00:49:43,517 -You guys didn't hear him around at all this morning, huh? 956 00:49:43,620 --> 00:49:45,758 -I didn't hear a single thing. 957 00:49:45,862 --> 00:49:47,724 -Wonder where he wandered off to. 958 00:49:47,827 --> 00:49:49,448 You'd think he'd show up for breakfast. 959 00:49:49,551 --> 00:49:51,413 -Guy's a lone wolf. 960 00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:53,896 -Meaning what? 961 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,275 -City boy couldn't wait to get in the woods. 962 00:49:57,517 --> 00:49:58,758 Control yourself. 963 00:49:58,862 --> 00:50:00,758 -He went on a nature hike. 964 00:50:00,862 --> 00:50:03,206 -When? -Last night. 965 00:50:04,068 --> 00:50:06,344 -He's been out all night? 966 00:50:06,448 --> 00:50:07,758 Well, where'd you leave him? 967 00:50:07,862 --> 00:50:08,793 -Out there. 968 00:50:10,586 --> 00:50:12,103 -Shut up. 969 00:50:12,206 --> 00:50:13,896 -Why don't we all go home and forget this trip? 970 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,724 -No, no, no, the first thing we're going to do 971 00:50:15,827 --> 00:50:17,448 is you guys are going to show me where you left him. 972 00:50:17,551 --> 00:50:18,862 All of you! 973 00:50:18,965 --> 00:50:20,000 -He didn't have nothing to do with it. 974 00:50:20,103 --> 00:50:21,482 -You two then. 975 00:50:21,586 --> 00:50:23,206 Move! 976 00:50:30,241 --> 00:50:32,137 -Marco! 977 00:50:33,551 --> 00:50:35,206 Hey, Marco! 978 00:50:38,034 --> 00:50:39,103 Marco! 979 00:50:39,206 --> 00:50:40,758 -Marco! 980 00:50:42,551 --> 00:50:44,379 -Marco! 981 00:50:46,241 --> 00:50:47,482 -We're not going to be able to get 982 00:50:47,586 --> 00:50:49,241 on the river today because of you guys. 983 00:50:50,103 --> 00:50:51,620 -Marco! 984 00:50:51,724 --> 00:50:54,655 -Hey, Mike, come on, we didn't mean any harm. 985 00:50:58,655 --> 00:51:00,448 -Fun's fun, but not all night. 986 00:51:00,551 --> 00:51:03,551 -Man, they did that to me a million times. 987 00:51:03,655 --> 00:51:05,551 They did it to me when I first came. 988 00:51:05,655 --> 00:51:07,344 -Marco! 989 00:51:07,448 --> 00:51:09,896 -Come on, Mike, it ain't that serious. 990 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,344 -Is this it? 991 00:51:12,448 --> 00:51:14,275 -Looks different in daylight. 992 00:51:14,379 --> 00:51:15,896 -Bet you he's back at the camp 993 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,931 laughing his butt off. 994 00:51:19,034 --> 00:51:20,931 -What the hell is that? 995 00:51:32,034 --> 00:51:33,862 All right, listen you guys. 996 00:51:33,965 --> 00:51:37,517 I want you to go back to camp. Mark the trail on your way. 997 00:51:37,620 --> 00:51:39,758 Get Mel. Send her out here to me. 998 00:51:39,862 --> 00:51:41,620 You two go downstream, search up. 999 00:51:41,724 --> 00:51:43,206 We'll go upstream, we'll search down. 1000 00:51:43,310 --> 00:51:44,724 Okay, come on. Move! 1001 00:51:44,827 --> 00:51:46,793 -Yeah, yeah. -Yes, sir! 1002 00:51:59,827 --> 00:52:01,379 -Marco? 1003 00:52:34,448 --> 00:52:37,103 -Mike! 1004 00:52:46,931 --> 00:52:48,689 Cerone! 1005 00:52:52,275 --> 00:52:54,862 -Marco! 1006 00:52:54,965 --> 00:52:56,689 -Marco! 1007 00:52:57,137 --> 00:52:59,551 -Marco! 1008 00:53:36,172 --> 00:53:37,827 -Ohh. 1009 00:53:42,206 --> 00:53:43,655 Oh! 1010 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,310 -Come on, let's get shaking. 1011 00:53:50,413 --> 00:53:52,034 -What you did was really stupid. 1012 00:53:52,137 --> 00:53:53,586 -It ain't none of your business, lady! 1013 00:53:53,689 --> 00:53:56,275 -Well, unfortunately, we're all on this trip together. 1014 00:53:56,379 --> 00:53:58,275 -You tell your friend's father to buy you better company 1015 00:53:58,379 --> 00:53:59,793 next time, you understand? 1016 00:53:59,896 --> 00:54:02,275 -Well, I sure will. -Lighten up, will you, man? 1017 00:54:02,379 --> 00:54:04,862 -Get out of my face, you understand me? 1018 00:54:04,965 --> 00:54:06,310 -Get up the stream. 1019 00:54:06,413 --> 00:54:09,517 Get up the goddamn stream! -You little shit! 1020 00:54:10,965 --> 00:54:14,310 -Margaret, I think that guy's psychotic. 1021 00:54:18,034 --> 00:54:20,000 -Goddamn Zorich. 1022 00:54:26,931 --> 00:54:28,517 -Oh! 1023 00:54:28,620 --> 00:54:31,344 Ah. 1024 00:54:31,448 --> 00:54:33,310 What are you doing here? 1025 00:54:33,413 --> 00:54:35,448 -I'm looking for you! -Are you? 1026 00:54:35,551 --> 00:54:37,206 -Mm-hmm. 1027 00:54:44,482 --> 00:54:47,206 -You didn't see Marco, huh? -No, you didn't either? 1028 00:54:47,310 --> 00:54:50,275 -No, I saw this, and it looked much better. 1029 00:55:40,620 --> 00:55:43,103 Oh, no. 1030 00:55:43,758 --> 00:55:46,413 Oh, no. 1031 00:55:50,344 --> 00:55:52,758 Oh, no. 1032 00:55:52,965 --> 00:55:54,724 -Marco! 1033 00:55:55,896 --> 00:55:58,172 That dude dies because we left him out there, 1034 00:55:58,275 --> 00:55:59,862 it's negligent homicide, man. 1035 00:55:59,965 --> 00:56:01,310 -Bullshit. 1036 00:56:01,413 --> 00:56:02,793 -Listen, I know what I'm talking about. 1037 00:56:02,896 --> 00:56:04,724 Every time I play one of your silly games, 1038 00:56:04,827 --> 00:56:06,275 I get in trouble. 1039 00:56:07,068 --> 00:56:09,137 -Look at that! 1040 00:56:09,241 --> 00:56:12,344 -Wow, check it out. 1041 00:56:14,172 --> 00:56:15,551 -Use hand signals. 1042 00:56:15,655 --> 00:56:17,172 -Will you cut the Army crap? 1043 00:56:17,275 --> 00:56:20,413 -This is private property, bud. They might not like your kind. 1044 00:56:20,517 --> 00:56:22,310 -Man, give me a break. 1045 00:56:29,517 --> 00:56:31,275 -I'm going in. 1046 00:56:31,379 --> 00:56:32,655 Cover me. 1047 00:56:33,586 --> 00:56:35,620 -With what? 1048 00:56:44,275 --> 00:56:46,344 What's with you, man? 1049 00:56:53,379 --> 00:56:54,413 Hey! 1050 00:56:56,482 --> 00:56:58,413 Come here. 1051 00:57:07,827 --> 00:57:09,517 -It's one of the old camp rafts. 1052 00:57:09,620 --> 00:57:10,724 -How did it get there? 1053 00:57:25,655 --> 00:57:27,655 -Think somebody's buried there? 1054 00:57:27,758 --> 00:57:29,655 -Probably just a dog. 1055 00:57:29,758 --> 00:57:31,517 -Yeah. 1056 00:58:35,655 --> 00:58:37,000 -Zorich? 1057 00:58:44,827 --> 00:58:46,344 Zorich. 1058 00:58:50,344 --> 00:58:52,068 Zorich? 1059 00:58:54,724 --> 00:58:56,275 Zorich. 1060 00:58:58,517 --> 00:59:00,310 Zoro? 1061 00:59:04,068 --> 00:59:05,172 -I'm going to kill you! 1062 00:59:05,275 --> 00:59:06,827 -You wouldn't hurt an old lady, would you? 1063 00:59:06,931 --> 00:59:08,862 -I'm going to kill you! 1064 00:59:11,413 --> 00:59:13,241 -Hold it, hold it! 1065 00:59:13,344 --> 00:59:15,379 -What the -- 1066 00:59:16,137 --> 00:59:19,000 -Aw, man. What the hell is going on here? 1067 00:59:35,137 --> 00:59:36,689 Can you tell? 1068 00:59:37,896 --> 00:59:39,310 Mushrooms? 1069 00:59:39,413 --> 00:59:41,000 Pure magic. 1070 00:59:41,103 --> 00:59:43,517 -Guaranteed to get you high. 1071 00:59:43,620 --> 00:59:45,000 Better than acid. 1072 00:59:45,103 --> 00:59:47,862 -Some funky mother's been living around here. 1073 00:59:47,965 --> 00:59:49,965 Look at all these women's clothes. 1074 01:00:03,517 --> 01:00:05,689 -I don't believe this. 1075 01:00:05,793 --> 01:00:06,827 Nathaniel. 1076 01:00:06,931 --> 01:00:08,413 -What? 1077 01:00:08,517 --> 01:00:10,103 -It's Eggar! 1078 01:00:11,034 --> 01:00:12,379 -You think he's got a woman living here? 1079 01:00:12,482 --> 01:00:15,655 -Ain't no woman living here. He's a goddamn freak! 1080 01:00:17,862 --> 01:00:19,379 -Oh. 1081 01:00:22,103 --> 01:00:23,689 That sucker. 1082 01:00:23,793 --> 01:00:26,655 I told you he's been stealing from me! 1083 01:00:27,896 --> 01:00:30,758 -Now we're going to get his ass fired! 1084 01:00:34,241 --> 01:00:35,827 Come on, let's go. 1085 01:00:35,931 --> 01:00:37,103 -Wait a minute. 1086 01:00:37,206 --> 01:00:39,379 I just want to see what else he's got around. 1087 01:00:43,793 --> 01:00:46,275 -He's sicker than I thought he was. 1088 01:00:48,931 --> 01:00:51,137 -Let's get the hell out of here. 1089 01:01:05,724 --> 01:01:07,793 -Okay, there we get the casing of the creep house 1090 01:01:07,896 --> 01:01:09,655 with the wolf head and the snake crawling through it, 1091 01:01:09,758 --> 01:01:12,724 and their plan to get Eggar fired. 1092 01:01:12,827 --> 01:01:16,068 And, Cargill, as an expert screenwriter, 1093 01:01:16,172 --> 01:01:18,827 judging the expert screenwriting here, 1094 01:01:18,931 --> 01:01:24,689 why exactly do Mike and Melanie abandon the search for Marco, 1095 01:01:24,793 --> 01:01:26,172 who they're so worried about, 1096 01:01:26,275 --> 01:01:28,034 because they find a spot to skinny dip? 1097 01:01:28,137 --> 01:01:31,379 -I'm of the opinion that they, from the beginning, 1098 01:01:31,482 --> 01:01:33,137 know that this is kind of a prank 1099 01:01:33,241 --> 01:01:35,206 and this is not really a thing, 1100 01:01:35,310 --> 01:01:38,827 and it's their one chance to get away from everyone else 1101 01:01:38,931 --> 01:01:41,862 and get us our breast count in the movie. 1102 01:01:41,965 --> 01:01:45,206 Um, I believe that that is what this is for. 1103 01:01:45,310 --> 01:01:48,275 I believe, you know, how many movies 1104 01:01:48,379 --> 01:01:51,482 have you guys talked about in particular over the years that, 1105 01:01:51,586 --> 01:01:53,137 why is that scene there? 1106 01:01:53,241 --> 01:01:55,655 Well, because, you know, we need boobs. 1107 01:01:55,758 --> 01:01:59,068 -Well, Cargill, that's one of those cliché motivations. 1108 01:01:59,172 --> 01:02:01,896 You know, I'm horny, so I'll ignore everything else. 1109 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,379 -That's life, baby. 1110 01:02:03,482 --> 01:02:05,206 -You're defending the movie. 1111 01:02:05,310 --> 01:02:07,793 -1983, the rules are a little different. 1112 01:02:07,896 --> 01:02:10,137 -Okay, let me ask you this. 1113 01:02:10,241 --> 01:02:12,827 Who exactly are these people? 1114 01:02:12,931 --> 01:02:14,586 Are these just random friends? 1115 01:02:14,689 --> 01:02:16,551 Are these members of the Job Corps? 1116 01:02:16,655 --> 01:02:18,655 Are these aspiring forest rangers? 1117 01:02:18,758 --> 01:02:21,137 Are the females hookers? 1118 01:02:21,241 --> 01:02:23,758 Because the females just seem to be there to titillate the guys. 1119 01:02:23,862 --> 01:02:26,379 -This is one of the great mysteries of the universe. 1120 01:02:26,482 --> 01:02:29,275 I have pondered this for years. 1121 01:02:29,379 --> 01:02:32,655 I cannot begin to tell you. I don't know. 1122 01:02:32,758 --> 01:02:34,827 I know that they, in some way, 1123 01:02:34,931 --> 01:02:37,896 because I've examined this in the highest resolution possible. 1124 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,965 They are working for the forestry service. 1125 01:02:41,068 --> 01:02:42,758 Whether they're volunteers, 1126 01:02:42,862 --> 01:02:44,793 whether they're employees, I don't know. 1127 01:02:44,896 --> 01:02:47,241 One of the things you didn't ask, are they ex-Vietnam vets? 1128 01:02:47,344 --> 01:02:49,172 Because one of them appears to be. 1129 01:02:49,275 --> 01:02:51,620 -One of them is. -He certainly -- he seems to be. 1130 01:02:51,724 --> 01:02:54,103 But they never actually say he was in Vietnam. 1131 01:02:54,206 --> 01:02:56,310 He just acts like he was in Vietnam. 1132 01:02:56,413 --> 01:03:01,379 -But he doesn't seem old enough in 1983. 1133 01:03:01,482 --> 01:03:04,586 -'83, but the movie was made in '81 to be an '82 release. 1134 01:03:04,689 --> 01:03:06,137 It was close enough. 1135 01:03:06,241 --> 01:03:09,034 I feel like the script, I think, sat on the shelf a little longer 1136 01:03:09,137 --> 01:03:11,137 than it should have, and then when somebody wanted it, 1137 01:03:11,241 --> 01:03:12,206 they dusted it off. 1138 01:03:12,310 --> 01:03:13,586 -It did. 1139 01:03:13,689 --> 01:03:15,344 But I mean, I know the females are not hookers 1140 01:03:15,448 --> 01:03:19,172 because their parents come to the ranger station 1141 01:03:19,275 --> 01:03:21,413 to see them off, which is also strange. 1142 01:03:21,517 --> 01:03:23,793 You know, have fun on your wilderness trip 1143 01:03:23,896 --> 01:03:26,413 with these lowlifes from the Job Corps. 1144 01:03:26,517 --> 01:03:29,689 -Well, except that there's a chaperon, 1145 01:03:29,793 --> 01:03:31,413 so everything's going to be fine. 1146 01:03:31,517 --> 01:03:32,896 What could go wrong with a chaperon? 1147 01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,620 -Who's the chaperon? 1148 01:03:34,724 --> 01:03:37,724 -The eldest member of the core, the one that's the boss. 1149 01:03:37,827 --> 01:03:39,000 -Who? Mike? -Yeah. 1150 01:03:39,103 --> 01:03:41,310 -He's there to aardvark with Melanie. 1151 01:03:41,413 --> 01:03:43,275 -Yes, but that's the cover. 1152 01:03:43,379 --> 01:03:44,965 He's still the chaperon. 1153 01:03:45,068 --> 01:03:47,103 He's not aardvarking with the young girls. 1154 01:03:47,206 --> 01:03:48,482 He's aardvarking with the older girl. 1155 01:03:48,586 --> 01:03:51,000 -Okay. All right, we'll get back to that in a minute. 1156 01:03:51,103 --> 01:03:52,689 Cargill for many years, 1157 01:03:52,793 --> 01:03:55,379 you were the chief reviewer at Ain't It Cool News? 1158 01:03:55,482 --> 01:03:56,758 -I was one of them. Yeah. 1159 01:03:56,862 --> 01:03:59,172 -So you are overqualified to review this movie. 1160 01:03:59,275 --> 01:04:02,827 So tell me... 1161 01:04:02,931 --> 01:04:05,689 the most outstanding feature of the movie, 1162 01:04:05,793 --> 01:04:08,275 the main thing that makes it great. 1163 01:04:08,379 --> 01:04:11,482 -The main thing that makes it great is the cinematography. 1164 01:04:11,586 --> 01:04:13,758 But... 1165 01:04:13,862 --> 01:04:16,068 -Peaches, the peaches. 1166 01:04:16,172 --> 01:04:17,344 -The peaches are essential. 1167 01:04:17,448 --> 01:04:20,413 But no, I honestly, the structure of it is 1168 01:04:20,517 --> 01:04:21,931 what I'm fascinated by. 1169 01:04:22,034 --> 01:04:23,965 Because as we've joked about the peaches, 1170 01:04:24,068 --> 01:04:26,482 you're going to find that every little seemingly 1171 01:04:26,586 --> 01:04:27,896 useless bit of information 1172 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,862 in this 83 minute movie all leads to one conclusion 1173 01:04:31,965 --> 01:04:33,413 at the end of the story, 1174 01:04:33,517 --> 01:04:35,344 and when you watch it on a second viewing, 1175 01:04:35,448 --> 01:04:37,827 you realize there's not a wasted throwaway line 1176 01:04:37,931 --> 01:04:39,689 like you have in most of these movies. 1177 01:04:39,793 --> 01:04:41,965 Everything matters in terms 1178 01:04:42,068 --> 01:04:43,689 of telling the story they're telling. 1179 01:04:43,793 --> 01:04:46,827 Even the campfire story that we have, um, 1180 01:04:46,931 --> 01:04:51,275 even has a perfect rendition of the character 1181 01:04:51,379 --> 01:04:53,172 who would say those lines. 1182 01:04:53,275 --> 01:04:55,862 Like, as if the actor had read to the end 1183 01:04:55,965 --> 01:04:58,724 of the script, knows who's involved in this, 1184 01:04:58,827 --> 01:05:01,586 and then does a perfect imitation of that character. 1185 01:05:01,689 --> 01:05:03,931 -So you're saying if you watch this movie and it sucks, 1186 01:05:04,034 --> 01:05:06,793 and you think it sucks, watch it again. 1187 01:05:06,896 --> 01:05:10,034 -And with peaches in mind, and you will -- 1188 01:05:10,137 --> 01:05:11,827 -Absolutely. -And you will -- no. 1189 01:05:11,931 --> 01:05:13,551 But if you watch it again, 1190 01:05:13,655 --> 01:05:14,965 you will see that there is a structure here 1191 01:05:15,068 --> 01:05:17,827 that tells this very visceral, 1192 01:05:17,931 --> 01:05:19,724 attempting to be realistic story. 1193 01:05:19,827 --> 01:05:22,137 They're trying to make a realistic slasher 1194 01:05:22,241 --> 01:05:24,724 where the characters -- what always strikes me 1195 01:05:24,827 --> 01:05:26,344 and what I'm in love with with this movie, 1196 01:05:26,448 --> 01:05:28,482 what I'm really in love with, all jokes aside, 1197 01:05:28,586 --> 01:05:31,931 is the minute these characters know the situation they're in, 1198 01:05:32,034 --> 01:05:34,655 they stop doing anything stupid and everything 1199 01:05:34,758 --> 01:05:37,965 they do is what the audience would be yelling at them to do. 1200 01:05:38,068 --> 01:05:40,206 Don't go here. Don't go out there alone. 1201 01:05:40,310 --> 01:05:41,551 Always go with someone else. 1202 01:05:41,655 --> 01:05:42,827 Hey, let's get to the bus. 1203 01:05:42,931 --> 01:05:44,655 That's how we get back home. 1204 01:05:44,758 --> 01:05:46,655 -All right, let's see if that becomes true 1205 01:05:46,758 --> 01:05:48,655 as we continue through the movie. 1206 01:05:48,758 --> 01:05:51,379 How did you go from film reviewing to screenwriting? 1207 01:05:51,482 --> 01:05:53,793 Is that something you were always trying to do? 1208 01:05:53,896 --> 01:05:55,620 -I always wanted to be a novelist. 1209 01:05:55,724 --> 01:05:57,379 I wanted to write screenplays, 1210 01:05:57,482 --> 01:05:58,896 but I never thought I would break in, 1211 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,896 and I just had this idea for a movie 1212 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,172 that came from a nightmare. 1213 01:06:02,275 --> 01:06:03,793 And over years, I kind of workshopped it 1214 01:06:03,896 --> 01:06:05,827 and workshopped it, and I was literally -- 1215 01:06:05,931 --> 01:06:07,862 -"Black Phone"? -No, no, no, "Sinister." 1216 01:06:07,965 --> 01:06:09,827 -Oh, "Sinister." -"Sinister." 1217 01:06:09,931 --> 01:06:12,379 And I had become friends with Scott Derrickson, 1218 01:06:12,482 --> 01:06:13,827 uh, online. 1219 01:06:13,931 --> 01:06:15,586 And we had become friends, 1220 01:06:15,689 --> 01:06:17,379 and we ended up in Vegas on the same weekend, 1221 01:06:17,482 --> 01:06:18,758 and we went out for a drink together. 1222 01:06:18,862 --> 01:06:21,758 And after five drinks, uh, he pitched me an idea. 1223 01:06:21,862 --> 01:06:23,896 He had had two producers come to him. 1224 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,586 One was Roy Lee, one was Jason Blum, and said, 1225 01:06:26,689 --> 01:06:28,000 we're looking for a movie. 1226 01:06:28,103 --> 01:06:29,310 It's got to be $1 million. 1227 01:06:29,413 --> 01:06:30,931 -He had five drinks, or you had five? 1228 01:06:31,034 --> 01:06:32,551 -I had five drinks. -Okay. 1229 01:06:32,655 --> 01:06:34,793 I don't know how many he had, but he wasn't keeping up. 1230 01:06:34,896 --> 01:06:36,206 But he doesn't try. 1231 01:06:37,482 --> 01:06:38,793 By the way. 1232 01:06:40,310 --> 01:06:44,482 But, yeah, he pitched me this idea that 1233 01:06:44,586 --> 01:06:46,551 he wanted to pitch these producers, uh, 1234 01:06:46,655 --> 01:06:48,344 as Jason Blum and Roy Lee were both coming to him 1235 01:06:48,448 --> 01:06:49,896 with the same idea of $1 million. 1236 01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,689 You get final cut, you get to make your movie. 1237 01:06:51,793 --> 01:06:53,206 And I gave him my professional opinion on it. 1238 01:06:53,310 --> 01:06:55,206 I said, "You know, I've had this movie in 1239 01:06:55,310 --> 01:06:56,517 the back of my head for years. 1240 01:06:56,620 --> 01:06:57,655 Can I get your professional opinion on it?" 1241 01:06:57,758 --> 01:06:59,241 He goes, "Yeah." 1242 01:06:59,344 --> 01:07:01,965 And I pitched him "Sinister", and he just said, "Holy fuck," 1243 01:07:02,068 --> 01:07:03,724 that's the movie they want. 1244 01:07:03,827 --> 01:07:06,310 Uh, I want to pitch it to him, you know? 1245 01:07:06,413 --> 01:07:08,413 And I ended up writing an outline. 1246 01:07:08,517 --> 01:07:10,137 -You telling me the drunk night in Vegas 1247 01:07:10,241 --> 01:07:11,655 is what caused you to be a screenwriter? 1248 01:07:11,758 --> 01:07:13,379 -That is exactly what I'm telling you. 1249 01:07:13,482 --> 01:07:15,034 One drunk night in Vegas, and I got a career. 1250 01:07:15,137 --> 01:07:17,000 -All right. 1251 01:07:17,103 --> 01:07:18,655 -Are you going to be at our Halloween show this year, 1252 01:07:18,758 --> 01:07:20,586 "Dusk to Dawn"? -I'm going to try. 1253 01:07:20,689 --> 01:07:22,379 -I appreciate you're hanging out with the mutants. 1254 01:07:22,482 --> 01:07:24,068 It gives us a chance -- -Put you on the spot. 1255 01:07:24,172 --> 01:07:25,482 -It gives us a chance to yell at you 1256 01:07:25,586 --> 01:07:27,413 about your writing choices. -Please do. 1257 01:07:27,517 --> 01:07:29,586 -And your movie choices. 1258 01:07:29,689 --> 01:07:33,655 -All right, back to the neglected 1983 classic. 1259 01:07:33,758 --> 01:07:38,000 Well, actually conceived in 1980. 1260 01:07:38,103 --> 01:07:41,517 Filmed in 1981, re-edited in 1982, 1261 01:07:41,620 --> 01:07:44,620 released half in 1983 and half in 1984, 1262 01:07:44,724 --> 01:07:46,655 classic, "The Final Terror". 1263 01:07:46,758 --> 01:07:48,655 Roll the flick. 1264 01:07:50,137 --> 01:07:52,379 And by the way, that's... 1265 01:07:52,482 --> 01:07:53,965 I'm going to say her name wrong, 1266 01:07:54,068 --> 01:07:58,275 but Akosua Busia as Vanessa, playing... 1267 01:07:58,379 --> 01:08:01,068 She's playing an African American with a British accent. 1268 01:08:01,172 --> 01:08:03,586 She's actually from Ghana. 1269 01:08:03,689 --> 01:08:06,724 She and Rachel Ward were grade school classmates in London. 1270 01:08:06,827 --> 01:08:09,103 And if you're wondering why a little girl from Ghana 1271 01:08:09,206 --> 01:08:11,068 was going to grade school in London, 1272 01:08:11,172 --> 01:08:13,724 it's because her daddy was the Prime Minister of Ghana 1273 01:08:13,827 --> 01:08:15,551 and she is actually a princess. 1274 01:08:15,655 --> 01:08:18,793 She's part of the royal family of Wenchi. 1275 01:08:18,896 --> 01:08:22,310 Everybody in this cast would become famous, right? 1276 01:08:22,413 --> 01:08:24,448 -And continue to put it on their résumés. 1277 01:08:24,551 --> 01:08:27,724 -The only non-famous person in the cast is the star. 1278 01:08:27,827 --> 01:08:32,000 When they first announced the movie, Sam Arkoff made a poster. 1279 01:08:32,103 --> 01:08:33,793 The title was "Bump in the Night," 1280 01:08:33,896 --> 01:08:35,172 and it said, "Bump in the Night", 1281 01:08:35,275 --> 01:08:37,793 starring Cindy Harrell, and Cindy Harrell 1282 01:08:37,896 --> 01:08:42,379 plays Melanie, the skinny dipping screamer. 1283 01:08:42,482 --> 01:08:44,965 She was billed as a famous, quote, "cover model" 1284 01:08:45,068 --> 01:08:46,517 at the time. 1285 01:08:46,620 --> 01:08:49,413 I think she had just one cover for Teen Magazine. 1286 01:08:49,517 --> 01:08:51,206 Uh, anyway, she only had three roles, 1287 01:08:51,310 --> 01:08:53,241 and then she quit the business around 1988, 1288 01:08:53,344 --> 01:08:55,103 and I wondered what happened to her. 1289 01:08:55,206 --> 01:08:58,448 And the answer is, she got married to Alan Horn. 1290 01:08:58,551 --> 01:09:01,689 -Oh, the Alan Horn? 1291 01:09:01,793 --> 01:09:02,931 -Are you are you being sarcastic? 1292 01:09:03,034 --> 01:09:04,034 -Do tell. -All right. 1293 01:09:04,137 --> 01:09:05,724 -Like the Warner Bros. -- 1294 01:09:05,827 --> 01:09:07,310 -Alan Horn, motherfucker. 1295 01:09:07,413 --> 01:09:09,206 -He was president of Fox. 1296 01:09:09,310 --> 01:09:11,344 And I think his glory years were he ran Warner Bros. 1297 01:09:11,448 --> 01:09:12,724 with Barry Meyer. 1298 01:09:12,827 --> 01:09:14,413 He did the Harry Potter movies. 1299 01:09:14,517 --> 01:09:16,310 He did the Christopher Nolan movies. 1300 01:09:16,413 --> 01:09:18,862 Before that, he produced a bunch of Oscar movies 1301 01:09:18,965 --> 01:09:20,896 like "A Few Good Men" and "Green Mile" 1302 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,172 and "When Harry Met Sally." 1303 01:09:22,275 --> 01:09:24,103 I think he had something to do with "Seinfeld." 1304 01:09:24,206 --> 01:09:26,137 And then they forced him out at Warner Bros. 1305 01:09:26,241 --> 01:09:28,965 But Bob Iger at Disney said, "Hell yes, come over to Disney, 1306 01:09:29,068 --> 01:09:30,793 please be chairman at Disney." 1307 01:09:30,896 --> 01:09:33,000 Do all the Pixar movies, the Marvel movies, 1308 01:09:33,103 --> 01:09:35,241 the Lucasfilm movies. -"Doctor Strange." 1309 01:09:35,344 --> 01:09:37,310 -This guy was one of the kings of Hollywood. 1310 01:09:37,413 --> 01:09:39,241 -Okay, like I said, the Alan Horn. 1311 01:09:39,344 --> 01:09:41,517 -For three decades, this guy's a king of Hollywood. 1312 01:09:41,620 --> 01:09:44,793 So my question about that is, why doesn't Cindy Harrell -- 1313 01:09:44,896 --> 01:09:46,517 Why isn't she able to keep on acting? 1314 01:09:46,620 --> 01:09:48,344 It's not like she can't get a job. 1315 01:09:48,448 --> 01:09:49,931 All she has to do is mention it at breakfast. 1316 01:09:50,034 --> 01:09:51,379 -I feel like she's good, man. 1317 01:09:51,482 --> 01:09:53,103 -Any inside info on that? 1318 01:09:53,206 --> 01:09:54,586 -Would you work if you didn't have to? 1319 01:09:54,689 --> 01:09:56,206 Like, she's good, man. 1320 01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:58,689 -I mean, she could have been in all those movies. 1321 01:09:58,793 --> 01:10:00,724 -All of them. -Yeah. 1322 01:10:00,827 --> 01:10:04,413 -Hollywood was and remains a very strange place. 1323 01:10:04,517 --> 01:10:06,000 -That's why we love it. 1324 01:10:19,034 --> 01:10:20,931 -I seen a lot of crazy people in my life, 1325 01:10:21,034 --> 01:10:22,482 but this freak takes the cake. 1326 01:10:22,586 --> 01:10:24,275 -You think maybe Cerone slept there last night? 1327 01:10:24,379 --> 01:10:26,586 -Cerone slept there? 1328 01:10:26,689 --> 01:10:29,172 Man, this cat is sick! 1329 01:10:30,586 --> 01:10:33,620 -Thing is, you just don't know what Eggar's doing up here. 1330 01:10:33,724 --> 01:10:36,793 -Who knows what the hell we're doing up here. 1331 01:10:36,896 --> 01:10:40,137 -Look, all we can do is wait. For Mike and Mel. 1332 01:10:40,241 --> 01:10:41,586 They know what they're doing. 1333 01:10:41,689 --> 01:10:43,241 I mean, they're probably all right. 1334 01:10:45,241 --> 01:10:46,862 They wouldn't have left us up 1335 01:10:46,965 --> 01:10:48,689 here all night if there wasn't something wrong. 1336 01:10:51,206 --> 01:10:53,517 -This is what we're going to do. 1337 01:10:53,620 --> 01:10:55,862 First thing, pair up. 1338 01:10:55,965 --> 01:10:57,931 Nobody comes or goes alone anymore. 1339 01:10:58,034 --> 01:10:59,517 -Now you're concerned, huh? 1340 01:10:59,620 --> 01:11:01,344 -You don't know what you're dealing with, lady. 1341 01:11:01,448 --> 01:11:04,482 -Come on! Go keep watch. 1342 01:11:07,275 --> 01:11:09,482 Wake me up when you get tired. 1343 01:12:02,448 --> 01:12:04,448 -Ah, shit! 1344 01:12:04,551 --> 01:12:06,103 Dammit! 1345 01:12:07,965 --> 01:12:10,206 -What's the screaming about? What's going on? 1346 01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:13,241 -There's somebody here! There's someone around! 1347 01:12:13,344 --> 01:12:16,482 I smelled this smell! There was this smell! 1348 01:12:16,586 --> 01:12:19,482 And there were these hands in my hair. 1349 01:12:19,586 --> 01:12:22,482 I swear I'm not dreaming! I'm not dreaming! There's somebody! 1350 01:12:22,586 --> 01:12:25,310 -It's okay, listen to me. It's okay, it's okay. 1351 01:12:25,413 --> 01:12:27,793 -I thought you were on guard. -I was. 1352 01:12:27,896 --> 01:12:30,068 I heard a noise, Eggar maybe. 1353 01:12:30,172 --> 01:12:32,517 Fell in the damn creek and sprained my wrist. 1354 01:12:36,655 --> 01:12:37,965 -This all started because you played 1355 01:12:38,068 --> 01:12:39,931 that stupid prank on Cerone. 1356 01:12:41,448 --> 01:12:43,413 -Light up a joint. 1357 01:12:45,379 --> 01:12:46,551 -Is it dry? 1358 01:12:58,310 --> 01:13:00,344 -Windy, give me the axe. 1359 01:13:07,448 --> 01:13:08,551 -Whoa. 1360 01:13:09,827 --> 01:13:11,275 What the hell was that? 1361 01:13:15,310 --> 01:13:16,862 -Who is it? 1362 01:13:18,241 --> 01:13:20,344 -Good evening, gentlemen. 1363 01:13:23,344 --> 01:13:25,103 -You turkey 1364 01:13:26,517 --> 01:13:28,310 -It's Cerone! 1365 01:13:30,689 --> 01:13:32,448 -Scared the shit out of me. -Hey, Cerone. 1366 01:13:32,551 --> 01:13:33,758 -Where've you been? 1367 01:13:33,862 --> 01:13:36,103 -That was great, Cerone. 1368 01:13:36,206 --> 01:13:38,172 -Ain't as dumb as you thought, is he, Zorich? 1369 01:13:44,517 --> 01:13:46,275 -Anybody want to get high? 1370 01:13:47,206 --> 01:13:49,068 -Do we still get a third? 1371 01:13:50,482 --> 01:13:53,758 -Did you see Mike or Mel out there anywhere? 1372 01:13:53,862 --> 01:13:55,655 -No, they're not around? 1373 01:13:55,758 --> 01:13:57,655 -They're not here because they thought you were lost 1374 01:13:57,758 --> 01:13:59,655 and went looking for you this morning. 1375 01:14:01,103 --> 01:14:03,172 -I wasn't lost. I been all over. 1376 01:14:03,275 --> 01:14:05,000 -Where? 1377 01:14:06,965 --> 01:14:08,379 -Around. 1378 01:14:08,482 --> 01:14:10,448 -Oh, great. 1379 01:14:10,551 --> 01:14:13,379 We have Romeo and Juliet lost in the woods somewhere, 1380 01:14:13,482 --> 01:14:15,724 a driver who's an absolute lunatic, 1381 01:14:15,827 --> 01:14:17,758 a quite unnecessarily broken wrist. 1382 01:14:17,862 --> 01:14:20,413 I mean, what is wrong with you people? 1383 01:14:20,517 --> 01:14:23,275 Our trip is a complete disaster, and we're playing 1384 01:14:23,379 --> 01:14:27,172 childish games and stupid juvenile pranks! 1385 01:14:27,275 --> 01:14:29,551 If you were trying to scare us, you succeeded. 1386 01:14:29,655 --> 01:14:31,241 Congratulations. 1387 01:14:31,344 --> 01:14:34,379 Now, perhaps, you'll concentrate on growing up. 1388 01:14:35,379 --> 01:14:36,517 -Where do you think you're going? 1389 01:14:36,620 --> 01:14:38,413 The outhouse, if it's any of your concern. 1390 01:14:38,517 --> 01:14:41,379 -Not alone you're not. -Don't give me orders! 1391 01:14:58,344 --> 01:14:59,965 -Ooh. 1392 01:15:40,206 --> 01:15:42,000 -Vanessa, come here! 1393 01:15:43,724 --> 01:15:44,655 Come on! 1394 01:15:48,241 --> 01:15:50,137 -All right, you're all right, you're all right! 1395 01:16:04,793 --> 01:16:06,827 -Oh, my God, it's Mike. 1396 01:16:08,103 --> 01:16:10,000 -No! 1397 01:16:11,068 --> 01:16:12,827 -What is it? 1398 01:16:12,931 --> 01:16:15,275 -Oh, don't look, don't look! 1399 01:16:40,586 --> 01:16:42,310 -We have to find Melanie. 1400 01:16:42,413 --> 01:16:44,137 -She's right. 1401 01:16:45,758 --> 01:16:48,172 May be too late, but we got to find out. 1402 01:16:48,275 --> 01:16:50,241 -Where I come from, you learn not to mess around 1403 01:16:50,344 --> 01:16:52,379 with something like this. It's out of our hands. 1404 01:16:52,482 --> 01:16:54,862 We should get out of here on the road we came in on. 1405 01:16:54,965 --> 01:16:56,758 -45 miles? 1406 01:16:56,862 --> 01:16:58,517 That's a two day hike. 1407 01:16:58,620 --> 01:17:00,172 You try something like that on open road, 1408 01:17:00,275 --> 01:17:01,344 and you're a sitting duck. 1409 01:17:01,448 --> 01:17:03,000 -What do you suggest we do then, huh? 1410 01:17:03,103 --> 01:17:06,103 -I suggest we stay right here. At least for the night. 1411 01:17:06,206 --> 01:17:08,620 In the morning, we'll head down by the river. 1412 01:17:08,724 --> 01:17:12,206 From there, it's only six miles to the ocean. 1413 01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:14,655 -I don't need this bullshit. 1414 01:17:14,758 --> 01:17:18,482 Tomorrow morning, dawn, we hit that house quick. 1415 01:17:18,586 --> 01:17:23,137 Maybe if we're lucky, we'll find Eggar fast asleep. 1416 01:17:23,241 --> 01:17:26,586 -You better stop that bullshit about revenge, Zorich! 1417 01:17:26,689 --> 01:17:29,103 We don't all want to play your little war game! 1418 01:17:29,206 --> 01:17:31,379 We don't want to play cowboys and Indians! 1419 01:17:31,482 --> 01:17:32,931 We want to get out of here! 1420 01:17:33,034 --> 01:17:35,896 -Please, please stop it! 1421 01:17:36,793 --> 01:17:38,620 Just stop it, stop! 1422 01:17:38,724 --> 01:17:40,551 -Listen to me. 1423 01:17:40,655 --> 01:17:42,793 You people want to survive this thing, 1424 01:17:42,896 --> 01:17:47,034 you got to start looking and thinking like the forest. 1425 01:17:51,896 --> 01:17:53,931 You tie those beads back, you understand? 1426 01:17:54,034 --> 01:17:55,931 Blondie, you get that hair under a cap. 1427 01:17:56,034 --> 01:17:59,103 And, Boone, get off that white shirt. 1428 01:18:08,344 --> 01:18:10,068 -So Zorich's advice... 1429 01:18:11,137 --> 01:18:13,103 If you want to survive this thing, 1430 01:18:13,206 --> 01:18:16,586 people, is to start looking and thinking like the forest. 1431 01:18:18,344 --> 01:18:22,413 Cargill, how do you think like a forest? 1432 01:18:22,517 --> 01:18:24,206 -You stand very still. 1433 01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:26,034 -Yeah. 1434 01:18:26,137 --> 01:18:28,551 I mean, you dress up in a ghillie suit 1435 01:18:28,655 --> 01:18:30,310 and you chase kids around. 1436 01:18:30,413 --> 01:18:32,862 Um, you, uh, take mushrooms and partake. 1437 01:18:32,965 --> 01:18:36,896 You hallucinate an entire Vietnam back story. 1438 01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:38,931 Um, there's a number of ways. 1439 01:18:39,034 --> 01:18:41,586 -Somebody in your profession, a professional screenwriter, 1440 01:18:41,689 --> 01:18:43,206 sat there and wrote, 1441 01:18:43,310 --> 01:18:45,000 "It's time to think like a forest." 1442 01:18:45,103 --> 01:18:46,620 -To be fair, there were three 1443 01:18:46,724 --> 01:18:48,379 professional screenwriters who worked on this separately, 1444 01:18:48,482 --> 01:18:50,103 so there's no telling which... 1445 01:18:50,206 --> 01:18:51,724 -And one of them was Ronald Shusett. 1446 01:18:51,827 --> 01:18:54,379 Very famous screenwriter. -"Alien." 1447 01:18:54,482 --> 01:18:57,241 Um, "Above the Law." Uh, "Dead and Buried." 1448 01:18:57,344 --> 01:18:59,103 -All right. Uh, well, 1449 01:18:59,206 --> 01:19:01,379 if anybody was paying attention during the campfire story 1450 01:19:01,482 --> 01:19:04,413 that Boone told, the one about the incest 1451 01:19:04,517 --> 01:19:08,068 pedophile lumberjack rapist -- would that be accurate? 1452 01:19:08,172 --> 01:19:10,896 Then you know the identity of the killer in the woods. 1453 01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,206 But I have to admit, I did listen to the story 1454 01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:16,620 because that story is always a clue to the killer, 1455 01:19:16,724 --> 01:19:18,241 the campfire story. 1456 01:19:18,344 --> 01:19:19,551 And I didn't figure it out. 1457 01:19:19,655 --> 01:19:21,310 Did you, the first time you watched it? 1458 01:19:21,413 --> 01:19:23,068 -The first time, no. First time, I was -- 1459 01:19:23,172 --> 01:19:25,620 Because the thing is, with movies in this era, 1460 01:19:25,724 --> 01:19:27,551 they love fake outs. 1461 01:19:27,655 --> 01:19:30,103 And this movie doesn't give you a fake out at all. 1462 01:19:30,206 --> 01:19:32,517 -Cargill, isn't that another cliché, though? 1463 01:19:32,620 --> 01:19:34,103 The campfire legend. 1464 01:19:34,206 --> 01:19:36,172 -But the campfire legend is always the fake out. 1465 01:19:36,275 --> 01:19:38,103 It's always kind of the story, but not really the story. 1466 01:19:38,206 --> 01:19:39,724 -Okay. 1467 01:19:39,827 --> 01:19:41,448 For those of you who are just tuning in 1468 01:19:41,551 --> 01:19:42,896 because people work late on the West Coast 1469 01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:44,827 and make it for the second -- 1470 01:19:44,931 --> 01:19:46,965 you know, they don't make it till the second movie. 1471 01:19:47,068 --> 01:19:49,482 For those of you who looked at your Shudder schedule 1472 01:19:49,586 --> 01:19:51,551 and said, "Holy fuck, 'The Final Terror', 1473 01:19:51,655 --> 01:19:53,482 how can I miss that?!" 1474 01:19:53,586 --> 01:19:56,068 We're enjoying the sophomore film of Andrew Davis, 1475 01:19:56,172 --> 01:19:59,482 along with Darcy the Mail Girl and C. Robert Cargill, 1476 01:19:59,586 --> 01:20:00,724 journalist. 1477 01:20:00,827 --> 01:20:01,931 You're everything. You're a journalist. 1478 01:20:02,034 --> 01:20:03,586 You're a novelist. You're a screenwriter. 1479 01:20:03,689 --> 01:20:05,172 You're a teacher. 1480 01:20:05,275 --> 01:20:06,758 I didn't even know about that, Cargill. 1481 01:20:06,862 --> 01:20:08,724 Where do you teach, and what do you teach? 1482 01:20:08,827 --> 01:20:10,103 Do you teach the importance of the outhouse dead body 1483 01:20:10,206 --> 01:20:11,689 reveal in '80s horror? 1484 01:20:11,793 --> 01:20:14,689 -No, I do a lot of, uh, speaking engagements, 1485 01:20:14,793 --> 01:20:17,241 uh, for screenwriters and teach screenwriting. 1486 01:20:17,344 --> 01:20:18,551 -Okay. 1487 01:20:18,655 --> 01:20:19,827 -And so I'll do a lot of writing classes. 1488 01:20:19,931 --> 01:20:21,758 I do a lot of, uh, online. 1489 01:20:21,862 --> 01:20:24,275 I talk about writing all the time on my my Blue Sky 1490 01:20:24,379 --> 01:20:27,517 and formerly on Twitter, and give lots of writing advice. 1491 01:20:27,620 --> 01:20:30,862 Um, I sit down with folks and go over their screenplays 1492 01:20:30,965 --> 01:20:33,103 and help them out with things, so... 1493 01:20:33,206 --> 01:20:35,413 -Okay. -I don't teach official classes, 1494 01:20:35,517 --> 01:20:38,413 but I have held seminars at like South by Southwest 1495 01:20:38,517 --> 01:20:40,206 and Austin Film Festival and things like that. 1496 01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:42,344 -Okay, well, let's talk about "The Black Phone 2." 1497 01:20:42,448 --> 01:20:45,724 "The Black Phone 2: Its Still Fucking Ringing". 1498 01:20:45,827 --> 01:20:47,793 Right? Isn't that the title? 1499 01:20:47,896 --> 01:20:49,965 -Is it really? -True story -- No. 1500 01:20:50,068 --> 01:20:53,413 True story -- Every day on set of "Black Phone", 1501 01:20:53,517 --> 01:20:56,000 I would sit down next to Scott in a chair, and I'd be like, 1502 01:20:56,103 --> 01:20:57,275 "All right, hear me out." 1503 01:20:57,379 --> 01:20:58,655 And he'd be like, "Okay." 1504 01:20:58,758 --> 01:21:01,000 And he'd be always take me seriously every time. 1505 01:21:01,103 --> 01:21:03,931 I'd be, "Black Phone 2: Call Waiting", 1506 01:21:04,034 --> 01:21:06,241 "Black Phone 2: Bigger and Blacker." 1507 01:21:06,344 --> 01:21:09,586 And I'd just get more and more absurd as they went on. 1508 01:21:09,689 --> 01:21:11,344 -You can use it. 1509 01:21:11,448 --> 01:21:13,206 If you still have time, you know you can use it. 1510 01:21:13,310 --> 01:21:15,586 It's still fucking ringing. -It's still fucking ringing. 1511 01:21:15,689 --> 01:21:18,689 "Party Line" I think is great. 1512 01:21:18,793 --> 01:21:20,068 -All right. 1513 01:21:20,172 --> 01:21:21,965 You know, we had another Blumhouse filmmaker on the show, 1514 01:21:22,068 --> 01:21:23,275 David Gordon Green. 1515 01:21:23,379 --> 01:21:24,413 And David's favorite movie 1516 01:21:24,517 --> 01:21:27,931 that he wanted to show at Halloween 1517 01:21:28,034 --> 01:21:30,000 was "Angel". 1518 01:21:30,103 --> 01:21:32,172 Student by day, hooker by night. 1519 01:21:32,275 --> 01:21:33,586 -For Halloween. 1520 01:21:33,689 --> 01:21:35,379 -And now you show up with a film by Andrew Davis, 1521 01:21:35,482 --> 01:21:38,206 who was the cinematographer on "Angel". 1522 01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:41,931 So all Blumhouse connections lead back to "Angel". 1523 01:21:42,034 --> 01:21:43,344 -All roads lead to "Angel". 1524 01:21:43,448 --> 01:21:45,344 -All right, well, stick around 1525 01:21:45,448 --> 01:21:46,827 because we're going to need lots more of your justifications 1526 01:21:46,931 --> 01:21:48,862 for "The Final Terror", 1527 01:21:48,965 --> 01:21:51,517 which up until now has been the mildly inconvenient terror. 1528 01:21:51,620 --> 01:21:53,620 But maybe it's about to get better. 1529 01:21:53,724 --> 01:21:54,931 -So... -Maybe! 1530 01:21:55,034 --> 01:21:56,655 -Roll it. 1531 01:21:58,172 --> 01:22:01,344 Okay, everybody, let's put on some camo 1532 01:22:01,448 --> 01:22:03,137 and think like a forest. 1533 01:22:04,551 --> 01:22:06,275 See, that's like one of those acting classes 1534 01:22:06,379 --> 01:22:09,241 where they go, "You're a tree. 1535 01:22:09,344 --> 01:22:11,689 Go ahead, show me. Be a tree." 1536 01:22:11,793 --> 01:22:13,000 And I always wanted to say, 1537 01:22:13,103 --> 01:22:14,448 "How about if you be a water balloon, 1538 01:22:14,551 --> 01:22:16,172 and we'll take it from there?" 1539 01:22:16,275 --> 01:22:19,172 But of course I didn't. I never was a smartass. 1540 01:22:19,275 --> 01:22:21,241 I tried to be a tree. 1541 01:22:21,344 --> 01:22:22,689 -I figured you were going to come at me 1542 01:22:22,793 --> 01:22:24,793 with, "Act like a tree and leave." 1543 01:22:24,896 --> 01:22:26,931 -Well, we'll get to that later. 1544 01:22:27,034 --> 01:22:30,413 I can't say I was ever a tree. I failed at the tree improv. 1545 01:22:30,517 --> 01:22:33,793 But speaking of great actors. 1546 01:22:33,896 --> 01:22:35,689 -We actually speaking about great actors. 1547 01:22:35,793 --> 01:22:41,482 -Well, no, but I forgot to mention that, um, Mike, 1548 01:22:41,586 --> 01:22:45,448 who was just discovered cut into a dozen pieces in the outhouse, 1549 01:22:45,551 --> 01:22:47,172 was played by Mark Metcalf, 1550 01:22:47,275 --> 01:22:49,896 most famous for his role as Doug Neidermeyer, 1551 01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:51,724 the frat boy bully in "Animal House", 1552 01:22:51,827 --> 01:22:53,793 the guy who gets dragged behind the horse 1553 01:22:53,896 --> 01:22:56,413 when they hit the butt of his horse with a golf ball. 1554 01:22:56,517 --> 01:22:58,310 Um, and I guess he got this job 1555 01:22:58,413 --> 01:23:01,586 because somebody said, "We need a bad leader for this group." 1556 01:23:01,689 --> 01:23:03,620 So, hey, how about Niedermeyer? 1557 01:23:03,724 --> 01:23:06,206 So another genius casting decision. 1558 01:23:06,310 --> 01:23:08,103 -Genius. -In "The Final Terror". 1559 01:23:08,206 --> 01:23:09,310 -Four starts. -Who doesn't want to watch him 1560 01:23:09,413 --> 01:23:11,482 get hacked apart mid-coitus? 1561 01:23:11,586 --> 01:23:12,793 -Exactly. 1562 01:24:47,413 --> 01:24:48,931 -Eggar! 1563 01:24:51,103 --> 01:24:52,896 Get your ass out here! 1564 01:24:57,655 --> 01:24:59,310 Eggar! 1565 01:25:01,758 --> 01:25:04,034 We coming to get you, man! 1566 01:25:58,827 --> 01:26:01,103 -Guys, what's going on in there? 1567 01:26:04,793 --> 01:26:06,344 Oh, God. 1568 01:26:42,758 --> 01:26:45,482 -There any of Mel's things in here? 1569 01:26:45,586 --> 01:26:47,137 Oh, my God! 1570 01:26:47,241 --> 01:26:49,724 -I'm going to kill that bastard. 1571 01:26:49,827 --> 01:26:51,965 -We can't leave without Melanie. 1572 01:26:52,068 --> 01:26:54,068 -I'm going to kill him. -Come on, Windy. 1573 01:26:54,172 --> 01:26:55,517 Don't stay in here. 1574 01:26:55,620 --> 01:26:57,655 Windy! 1575 01:26:57,758 --> 01:27:00,068 -Let's get the hell out of here. 1576 01:27:00,172 --> 01:27:02,379 Let's get down by the river. 1577 01:27:04,172 --> 01:27:05,965 -I'm going to kill him. 1578 01:27:18,034 --> 01:27:19,862 -Let's go! 1579 01:27:24,137 --> 01:27:25,724 -Let's burn this sucker. 1580 01:27:25,827 --> 01:27:28,137 Burn this whole thing down right now. 1581 01:27:28,241 --> 01:27:30,068 -No! We got to show them what Eggar did here. 1582 01:27:30,172 --> 01:27:32,482 -We stick together, get the hell out of here 1583 01:27:32,586 --> 01:27:34,620 and let the cops handle it. 1584 01:28:47,758 --> 01:28:49,172 -There ain't room for all this stuff. 1585 01:28:49,275 --> 01:28:50,310 Get in and come back. 1586 01:28:50,413 --> 01:28:51,758 -This one? 1587 01:28:51,862 --> 01:28:54,137 -Take mine. -Take that one. 1588 01:28:58,689 --> 01:29:01,103 -Make sure you got something warm on. 1589 01:29:09,275 --> 01:29:11,413 -Hey, I hope you guys realize I can't swim. 1590 01:29:11,517 --> 01:29:13,758 -Don't worry, sit by me. 1591 01:29:38,896 --> 01:29:42,000 -Keep your eyes open, no more surprises. 1592 01:29:46,827 --> 01:29:47,965 -Even! 1593 01:30:14,344 --> 01:30:15,862 -Watch the edge. 1594 01:31:06,241 --> 01:31:08,068 -Hey, Boone, give me the canteen. 1595 01:31:08,172 --> 01:31:09,482 Anybody want any water? 1596 01:31:09,586 --> 01:31:11,206 -I'll have some. 1597 01:32:01,310 --> 01:32:03,241 -Melanie! 1598 01:32:04,793 --> 01:32:06,448 -You're dead, Eggar! 1599 01:32:10,896 --> 01:32:12,724 -Eggar! 1600 01:32:15,620 --> 01:32:17,931 -Come back, Zorich! 1601 01:32:18,034 --> 01:32:19,241 -Hold it! 1602 01:32:43,896 --> 01:32:45,965 -Enough already. 1603 01:33:07,413 --> 01:33:10,724 -Faster goddammit, move it! 1604 01:33:12,448 --> 01:33:15,344 -Come on, come on, come on. 1605 01:33:15,448 --> 01:33:18,551 We got it, we got it, we got it, come on. 1606 01:33:18,655 --> 01:33:24,586 Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on! 1607 01:33:24,689 --> 01:33:26,103 -Wait! -Easy, jump in. 1608 01:33:26,206 --> 01:33:27,413 Easy. 1609 01:33:27,517 --> 01:33:29,689 -Here, Vanessa, okay. 1610 01:33:29,793 --> 01:33:31,034 Okay, let's go. 1611 01:33:31,137 --> 01:33:33,137 -Get off the raft! 1612 01:33:34,793 --> 01:33:36,448 Just get out of that boat! 1613 01:33:36,551 --> 01:33:37,931 -Zorich, don't be hollering at her no more! 1614 01:33:38,034 --> 01:33:39,206 -Oh, oh, oh! 1615 01:33:39,310 --> 01:33:40,655 -We got you, we got you. 1616 01:33:40,758 --> 01:33:42,586 Come on, be cool. -Vanessa! 1617 01:33:42,689 --> 01:33:44,034 -Relax, relax! 1618 01:33:44,137 --> 01:33:46,172 -Shit! -Only three feet, lady. 1619 01:33:46,275 --> 01:33:49,551 -Oh, shut up! -I've had enough of you Zorich! 1620 01:34:14,448 --> 01:34:16,241 -How could he do all this? 1621 01:34:16,344 --> 01:34:17,689 -I don't know, man. 1622 01:34:17,793 --> 01:34:19,931 But I know if we can get that thing started, 1623 01:34:20,034 --> 01:34:22,034 we can get our butts out of here. 1624 01:34:23,275 --> 01:34:24,724 -It's a trap. 1625 01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,068 We'll stay here til dark. 1626 01:34:47,793 --> 01:34:51,172 -Be careful Boone! -Shh, Windy, be quiet! 1627 01:34:55,655 --> 01:34:57,655 Come on, Eggar. 1628 01:35:03,413 --> 01:35:06,241 Come on, Eggar, I know you're on here. 1629 01:35:07,724 --> 01:35:10,000 Be careful. Stay back. 1630 01:35:10,862 --> 01:35:13,931 Come on, Eggar, come on out. 1631 01:35:16,689 --> 01:35:18,413 Come on, Eggar. 1632 01:35:18,517 --> 01:35:20,344 -What you see? 1633 01:35:49,034 --> 01:35:50,758 -He's not here. 1634 01:35:50,862 --> 01:35:52,758 Come on in. 1635 01:35:56,137 --> 01:35:58,586 -All right, our stuff is still here. 1636 01:36:13,275 --> 01:36:16,172 -Where the hell is he? I know he's here somewhere. 1637 01:36:16,275 --> 01:36:18,931 -Zorich, is there any keys up there? 1638 01:36:21,068 --> 01:36:22,448 -Yeah. 1639 01:36:22,551 --> 01:36:24,413 No juice. 1640 01:36:24,517 --> 01:36:26,379 -Well, we going to start this mother anyway. 1641 01:36:26,482 --> 01:36:29,172 Come on, let's check under the hood. 1642 01:36:32,482 --> 01:36:33,965 -Check the battery. 1643 01:36:34,068 --> 01:36:35,689 -The wire's cut. 1644 01:36:35,793 --> 01:36:37,310 -Here. 1645 01:36:40,103 --> 01:36:43,241 -Marshmallows, chocolate. 1646 01:36:43,344 --> 01:36:44,827 -Check against the back, there. 1647 01:36:44,931 --> 01:36:47,137 -I done did, it ain't here. 1648 01:36:47,241 --> 01:36:49,379 -Shit. 1649 01:36:54,448 --> 01:36:56,206 -This bus ain't going nowhere. 1650 01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:58,137 Eggar took care of that. 1651 01:36:59,068 --> 01:37:01,413 -Then we sure shouldn't stay here. 1652 01:37:02,206 --> 01:37:04,758 -And what we going to do, Windy? Go down the river at night? 1653 01:37:04,862 --> 01:37:06,620 What we going to do is stay here til sunrise. 1654 01:37:06,724 --> 01:37:08,827 -Not so bad. There's some dry clothes, 1655 01:37:08,931 --> 01:37:10,724 and there's some food in the cooler back there. 1656 01:37:10,827 --> 01:37:12,103 -I'll eat anything. 1657 01:37:12,206 --> 01:37:14,620 -Come on, Windy, light up a joint. 1658 01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:18,206 -Want an orange? 1659 01:37:18,310 --> 01:37:20,310 -I'll take a piece of fruit. 1660 01:37:45,793 --> 01:37:47,448 -Okay, let's do some mushrooms 1661 01:37:47,551 --> 01:37:48,827 while we're sitting in the abandoned school bus 1662 01:37:48,931 --> 01:37:50,482 waiting for the killer to show up. 1663 01:37:50,586 --> 01:37:52,517 -Heck, yeah! 1664 01:37:52,620 --> 01:37:54,103 -You think mushrooms are the answer to everything. 1665 01:37:54,206 --> 01:37:55,896 -They kind of are. 1666 01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:57,551 -I have to say, I don't remember a slasher 1667 01:37:57,655 --> 01:38:00,586 where they say, "Don't split up. 1668 01:38:00,689 --> 01:38:04,275 In fact, let's form ourselves into a commando squad." 1669 01:38:04,379 --> 01:38:07,310 Which is why there's occasionally some online 1670 01:38:07,413 --> 01:38:10,724 comments about this movie being the inspiration for "Predator." 1671 01:38:12,827 --> 01:38:16,517 -I wouldn't totally shock me. -Really? Really? 1672 01:38:16,620 --> 01:38:21,758 So the character of Zorich, crazy as a loon, drug head, 1673 01:38:21,862 --> 01:38:24,896 probably suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome, 1674 01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:27,034 is chosen to be the leader. 1675 01:38:27,137 --> 01:38:29,482 Or I guess he chooses himself to be the leader 1676 01:38:29,586 --> 01:38:31,724 under the old theory of, okay, we're dealing with crazy, 1677 01:38:31,827 --> 01:38:33,482 we need crazy to fight crazy, right? 1678 01:38:33,586 --> 01:38:35,103 -Yeah. -You think that's 1679 01:38:35,206 --> 01:38:36,379 a good decision? 1680 01:38:36,482 --> 01:38:37,655 -I think it's a terrible decision, 1681 01:38:37,758 --> 01:38:39,931 but it makes for enjoyable entertainment. 1682 01:38:40,034 --> 01:38:43,068 Uh, no, I actually -- I think one of the things 1683 01:38:43,172 --> 01:38:44,965 that I connect with this film very much 1684 01:38:45,068 --> 01:38:47,620 is I actually had a camp horror situation in my life. 1685 01:38:47,724 --> 01:38:50,344 I was literally a camp counselor at a camp, 1686 01:38:50,448 --> 01:38:52,172 and a masked man showed up rifling 1687 01:38:52,275 --> 01:38:53,827 through one of the cabins. 1688 01:38:53,931 --> 01:38:55,793 And it led to everyone freaking out. 1689 01:38:55,896 --> 01:38:57,793 And what everybody did is everybody grouped up. 1690 01:38:57,896 --> 01:39:02,482 Everybody that had, uh, been licensed to teach, uh, 1691 01:39:02,586 --> 01:39:04,517 shooting had a rifle, 1692 01:39:04,620 --> 01:39:07,137 and we grabbed all the kids, and we went up to this one place 1693 01:39:07,241 --> 01:39:08,793 and held up, 1694 01:39:08,896 --> 01:39:10,724 and everybody had to kind of commando up 1695 01:39:10,827 --> 01:39:12,655 to make sure nothing happened to any of the kids, 1696 01:39:12,758 --> 01:39:14,310 because that was our job. 1697 01:39:14,413 --> 01:39:15,862 And I was 17 years old at the time, 1698 01:39:15,965 --> 01:39:17,655 and I'm freaking the fuck out. 1699 01:39:17,758 --> 01:39:20,310 And so if Zorich were there going, 1700 01:39:20,413 --> 01:39:23,206 "We got to be like the forest, we got to think like the forest, 1701 01:39:23,310 --> 01:39:24,448 let's take mushrooms," 1702 01:39:24,551 --> 01:39:27,517 I'd be like, "Yeah, man, let's do it, let's go." 1703 01:39:27,620 --> 01:39:28,965 -So you watch "The Final Terror" and think, 1704 01:39:29,068 --> 01:39:30,068 oh, real life. 1705 01:39:30,172 --> 01:39:32,965 -Uh, to a small degree, 1706 01:39:33,068 --> 01:39:34,620 the smallest of possible degrees. 1707 01:39:34,724 --> 01:39:37,275 I empathize with the characters 1708 01:39:37,379 --> 01:39:39,206 and understand how they, you know, 1709 01:39:39,310 --> 01:39:40,793 because everybody's kind of losing their minds. 1710 01:39:40,896 --> 01:39:42,896 But that's what my experience was like. 1711 01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:44,724 -Let's talk about Zorich. 1712 01:39:44,827 --> 01:39:48,206 Let's talk about John Friedrich. That's the actor. 1713 01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:50,551 There was an online campaign to find John Friedrich 1714 01:39:50,655 --> 01:39:52,172 because he was one of those actors 1715 01:39:52,275 --> 01:39:54,068 who just disappeared from Hollywood. 1716 01:39:54,172 --> 01:39:56,482 His last credit was 1984, 1717 01:39:56,586 --> 01:39:58,827 but that was after he was in "The Thorn Birds", 1718 01:39:58,931 --> 01:40:01,965 He had did a lot of oddball teen roles. 1719 01:40:02,068 --> 01:40:03,241 He was in "The Wanderers." 1720 01:40:03,344 --> 01:40:06,206 He was in "The Boy in the Plastic Bubble." 1721 01:40:06,310 --> 01:40:10,448 He had a very memorable scene with John Travolta. 1722 01:40:10,551 --> 01:40:13,655 He was the other boy in the plastic bubble. 1723 01:40:13,758 --> 01:40:14,896 "Fast Walking." 1724 01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:16,379 "Thank God It's Friday." 1725 01:40:16,482 --> 01:40:17,724 In other words, 1726 01:40:17,827 --> 01:40:19,551 extremely versatile actor doing great work. 1727 01:40:19,655 --> 01:40:22,000 He's getting reviews saying, this guy's the next DeNiro. 1728 01:40:22,103 --> 01:40:25,310 He's getting jobs, and then he vanishes. 1729 01:40:25,413 --> 01:40:27,620 And so people started doing one of those 1730 01:40:27,724 --> 01:40:30,827 "Where's John Friedrich" things, you know, all over the internet. 1731 01:40:30,931 --> 01:40:32,862 Did he die? Did he get into a bad accident? 1732 01:40:32,965 --> 01:40:34,931 Did he do too many mushrooms? 1733 01:40:35,034 --> 01:40:37,310 And they eventually found him, 1734 01:40:37,413 --> 01:40:39,310 and he was like, "Yeah, here I am. 1735 01:40:39,413 --> 01:40:40,620 No big deal." 1736 01:40:40,724 --> 01:40:41,758 After 'The Thorn Birds', 1737 01:40:41,862 --> 01:40:43,241 I got married and moved to New Mexico 1738 01:40:43,344 --> 01:40:45,068 and became a financial consultant. 1739 01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:47,655 I have a family." 1740 01:40:47,758 --> 01:40:49,793 Absolutely no drama to the story at all. 1741 01:40:49,896 --> 01:40:52,517 Just decided the acting life was not for him. 1742 01:40:52,620 --> 01:40:53,862 So you got to admire that, right? 1743 01:40:53,965 --> 01:40:54,965 -Yeah. 1744 01:40:55,068 --> 01:40:56,827 -All right, so this is the last film 1745 01:40:56,931 --> 01:40:59,275 performance of John Friedrich, 1746 01:40:59,379 --> 01:41:02,310 and he definitely goes out with a dramatic flourish. 1747 01:41:02,413 --> 01:41:04,206 Um, now, is there anything 1748 01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:06,655 you want to say about -- without doing any spoilers -- 1749 01:41:06,758 --> 01:41:08,310 is there anything you want to say about 1750 01:41:08,413 --> 01:41:10,034 the ending of "The Final Terror"? 1751 01:41:10,137 --> 01:41:11,931 -Well, you know, 1752 01:41:12,034 --> 01:41:13,655 it feels so different from the rest of the film 1753 01:41:13,758 --> 01:41:17,172 in a very spectacular way. 1754 01:41:17,275 --> 01:41:20,482 It gets so much bigger, it gets so much crazier. 1755 01:41:20,586 --> 01:41:23,310 There's logic issues that you're like, "Wait, 1756 01:41:23,413 --> 01:41:25,172 where did that equipment come from?" 1757 01:41:25,275 --> 01:41:27,068 Like, you know, there's I won't spoil the scene, 1758 01:41:27,172 --> 01:41:28,862 but you'll be like, 1759 01:41:28,965 --> 01:41:30,793 "Were they lugging that around the whole time? 1760 01:41:30,896 --> 01:41:32,862 Because I don't -- where where was that in their pack, 1761 01:41:32,965 --> 01:41:34,586 and why would they have that, 1762 01:41:34,689 --> 01:41:36,344 and why is that part of his skill set?" 1763 01:41:36,448 --> 01:41:39,172 I mean, answers we don't have. 1764 01:41:39,275 --> 01:41:40,344 -Okay. 1765 01:41:40,448 --> 01:41:43,068 -To, again, life altering questions. 1766 01:41:43,172 --> 01:41:46,551 -I'm sure that as soon as the show is over tonight, 1767 01:41:46,655 --> 01:41:48,793 I'm sure that the internet is going to light up 1768 01:41:48,896 --> 01:41:51,275 with chat rooms that are going to be talking 1769 01:41:51,379 --> 01:41:54,448 about the ending of "The Final Terror". 1770 01:41:54,551 --> 01:41:56,206 And if you live in New Mexico, 1771 01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:58,655 you can hire Zorich for financial advice. 1772 01:41:58,758 --> 01:42:01,793 But, uh, thanks for being with us, Cargill. 1773 01:42:01,896 --> 01:42:06,034 I hope to see you in Dallas at our Halloween all nighter, 1774 01:42:06,137 --> 01:42:07,965 Joe Bob Spooktacular. 1775 01:42:08,068 --> 01:42:10,034 We do have cocktails. What's the name of the Darcy cocktail? 1776 01:42:10,137 --> 01:42:11,517 -Oh, God. 1777 01:42:11,620 --> 01:42:13,034 Um, Big Titty Ho On a Motorcycle. 1778 01:42:13,137 --> 01:42:14,793 -That's right. 1779 01:42:14,896 --> 01:42:17,103 Um, I want to mention that Blumhouse has 1780 01:42:17,206 --> 01:42:18,931 this new book coming out called "Horror's New Wave." 1781 01:42:19,034 --> 01:42:21,241 You know about this? -Yeah, yeah. 1782 01:42:21,344 --> 01:42:23,965 They reached out to all of us who, 1783 01:42:24,068 --> 01:42:25,931 or at least as far as I know, 1784 01:42:26,034 --> 01:42:28,275 almost all of us that had worked on Blumhouse movies 1785 01:42:28,379 --> 01:42:30,724 and interviewed us about our experiences making 1786 01:42:30,827 --> 01:42:32,448 the various films. 1787 01:42:32,551 --> 01:42:34,724 Um, and then each chapter is about, uh, 1788 01:42:34,827 --> 01:42:37,137 the various films and how they came to be. 1789 01:42:37,241 --> 01:42:39,137 Um, so there's the origin of "Sinister" 1790 01:42:39,241 --> 01:42:40,896 and there's the origin of "The Black Phone", 1791 01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:42,517 and I assume "M3GAN"'s going to be in there. 1792 01:42:42,620 --> 01:42:44,379 And, uh, 1793 01:42:44,482 --> 01:42:46,344 just all the various movies from the beginning 1794 01:42:46,448 --> 01:42:47,689 of Blumhouse and "Paranormal Activity" 1795 01:42:47,793 --> 01:42:49,172 up to present day. 1796 01:42:49,275 --> 01:42:53,206 -Okay. So read "Horror's New Wave", 1797 01:42:53,310 --> 01:42:57,758 which is about only Blumhouse films, right? 1798 01:42:57,862 --> 01:42:58,931 It's "Horror's New Wave", 1799 01:42:59,034 --> 01:43:00,620 but it's only Blumhouse film. 1800 01:43:00,724 --> 01:43:02,517 And, um... 1801 01:43:02,620 --> 01:43:03,689 -I assume. 1802 01:43:03,793 --> 01:43:05,586 -And come get -- 1803 01:43:05,689 --> 01:43:07,344 -I mean, my horror films are all Blumhouse movies. 1804 01:43:07,448 --> 01:43:08,655 -Come to Dallas and get some free 1805 01:43:08,758 --> 01:43:10,206 Big Titty Ho On a Motorcycle cocktails. 1806 01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:11,896 That's our promise to you. 1807 01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,758 Thanks for being a special guest on "The Last Drive-in." 1808 01:43:14,862 --> 01:43:18,103 I hope "Black Phone 2: keeps the sequel train ringing for you. 1809 01:43:18,206 --> 01:43:21,310 And now we're going to watch the stunning, 1810 01:43:21,413 --> 01:43:25,034 and I do mean stunning conclusion of 1811 01:43:25,137 --> 01:43:27,000 "The Final Terror". 1812 01:43:28,137 --> 01:43:29,793 Roll it. 1813 01:43:31,482 --> 01:43:36,068 And between the time this movie was shot in 1981 1814 01:43:36,172 --> 01:43:39,413 and the time it finally got released in all the territories, 1815 01:43:39,517 --> 01:43:42,896 it took till 1985 to get it released in all territories. 1816 01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:45,896 Daryl Hannah made "Blade Runner" and "Splash!" 1817 01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:47,965 Rachel Ward made "The Thorn Birds." 1818 01:43:48,068 --> 01:43:49,517 And even more important, 1819 01:43:49,620 --> 01:43:53,000 in my opinion, she was Domino in "Sharky's Machine." 1820 01:43:53,103 --> 01:43:54,724 I love "Sharky's Machine." 1821 01:43:54,827 --> 01:43:58,137 Adrian Zmed did "TJ Hooker" and "Grease 2." 1822 01:43:58,241 --> 01:43:59,965 -Fuck yeah! 1823 01:44:00,068 --> 01:44:02,655 -Um, Joe Pantoliano did "Risky Business" 1824 01:44:02,758 --> 01:44:05,275 and "Eddie and the Cruisers." 1825 01:44:05,379 --> 01:44:07,517 Lewis Smith, who played Boone, 1826 01:44:07,620 --> 01:44:10,034 had a little bit of buzz from "Southern Comfort" 1827 01:44:10,137 --> 01:44:13,310 and "I Ought To Be In Pictures", was later in "Buckaroo Banzai", 1828 01:44:13,413 --> 01:44:15,413 "North and South", "The Heavenly Kid." 1829 01:44:15,517 --> 01:44:18,275 He was actually kind of discovered in this film, though. 1830 01:44:18,379 --> 01:44:20,724 So Sam Arkoff is starting a new company, 1831 01:44:20,827 --> 01:44:22,931 Arkoff International Pictures. 1832 01:44:23,034 --> 01:44:24,724 He's trying every possible way 1833 01:44:24,827 --> 01:44:27,931 to make "The Final Terror" a hit by using all these star names. 1834 01:44:28,034 --> 01:44:29,758 But he can't do it. 1835 01:44:29,862 --> 01:44:31,620 It's still in the red after all those years 1836 01:44:31,724 --> 01:44:34,586 and all those title changes and all those releases. 1837 01:44:34,689 --> 01:44:37,965 And so his distributor, Aquarius Releasing, 1838 01:44:38,068 --> 01:44:41,551 ends up suing him, and when they don't get paid, 1839 01:44:41,655 --> 01:44:45,724 they destroy all the prints and the original negative. 1840 01:44:45,827 --> 01:44:47,620 And so this version of the movie 1841 01:44:47,724 --> 01:44:49,965 was actually reconstructed from the prints owned 1842 01:44:50,068 --> 01:44:51,793 by just six collectors. 1843 01:44:51,896 --> 01:44:53,724 They used the most visible prints. 1844 01:44:53,827 --> 01:44:55,275 You'll notice there were some scenes 1845 01:44:55,379 --> 01:44:57,172 that sort of fade to black, 1846 01:44:57,275 --> 01:45:00,689 even though Andrew Davis was doing his own cinematography. 1847 01:45:00,793 --> 01:45:03,206 And so "The Final Terror" was preserved 1848 01:45:03,310 --> 01:45:06,724 so that it can be celebrated by thousands of geeks -- 1849 01:45:06,827 --> 01:45:09,896 actually, by just one geek, C. Robert Cargill. 1850 01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:11,896 And immortalized in places like this. 1851 01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:13,655 So does that about sum it up? 1852 01:45:13,758 --> 01:45:15,551 -That sums it up perfectly. -All right. 1853 01:45:15,655 --> 01:45:17,413 -We got to save, and we got to celebrate. 1854 01:45:17,517 --> 01:45:18,931 -All right, I'm going to give you the last word. 1855 01:45:19,034 --> 01:45:22,068 Go ahead. Give you the last word on "The Final Terror". 1856 01:45:22,172 --> 01:45:24,000 -The drive in will never die. 1857 01:45:25,310 --> 01:45:26,206 -Not that. 1858 01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:27,379 -Well... 1859 01:45:27,482 --> 01:45:28,724 -No, the final word is this. 1860 01:45:28,827 --> 01:45:30,586 This ending that is coming up, 1861 01:45:30,689 --> 01:45:34,137 it is so shocking, it is so out of the blue. 1862 01:45:34,241 --> 01:45:37,034 It's very hard to process the first time you watch it. 1863 01:45:37,137 --> 01:45:39,034 It definitely deserves a rewatch, 1864 01:45:39,137 --> 01:45:41,655 and I hope anybody that had some inkling of enjoyment 1865 01:45:41,758 --> 01:45:44,551 tonight goes back and watches it all the way through, 1866 01:45:44,655 --> 01:45:47,862 picks up the threads, and enjoys it the way I do. 1867 01:45:47,965 --> 01:45:51,379 -Okay, Cargill. 1868 01:45:51,482 --> 01:45:53,896 Very pretty trees in this movie. 1869 01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,758 -Gorgeous trees. -Think like a forest. 1870 01:46:33,517 --> 01:46:35,689 -I told them not to come. 1871 01:47:51,965 --> 01:47:53,862 -Pull, darn it! 1872 01:47:54,344 --> 01:47:55,344 -Pull on it! 1873 01:47:55,448 --> 01:47:57,206 -Get out of the way! I'll kick the door open! 1874 01:47:57,310 --> 01:47:58,586 -Kick it, Marco! 1875 01:47:59,344 --> 01:48:01,275 -Get out the back! 1876 01:48:02,758 --> 01:48:04,000 -Eggar! 1877 01:48:04,344 --> 01:48:05,758 Eggar! 1878 01:48:06,206 --> 01:48:07,758 Eggar! 1879 01:48:08,896 --> 01:48:10,413 -Leave them alone! 1880 01:48:10,517 --> 01:48:12,379 -It's stuck! -Break the goddamn thing! 1881 01:48:12,482 --> 01:48:14,137 -Don't push me! 1882 01:48:14,241 --> 01:48:16,068 -Come on, let's go! 1883 01:48:18,482 --> 01:48:19,586 -I'm stuck! 1884 01:48:19,689 --> 01:48:21,793 I'm fucking stuck! 1885 01:48:24,379 --> 01:48:26,241 -Come on, Zorich! 1886 01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:35,413 -Where do I go? 1887 01:48:35,517 --> 01:48:36,482 -All right, keep going! 1888 01:48:36,586 --> 01:48:38,137 Stay together, keep running! 1889 01:48:38,241 --> 01:48:39,793 -Where we running to? 1890 01:48:39,896 --> 01:48:40,896 -Just keep going! 1891 01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:43,758 -I don't know, just keep running! 1892 01:48:43,862 --> 01:48:45,827 -I can't see a thing! 1893 01:48:52,241 --> 01:48:54,137 -Come on, lady! 1894 01:49:14,103 --> 01:49:15,689 -Zorich! 1895 01:49:15,793 --> 01:49:18,068 Zorich, wait up! 1896 01:49:26,586 --> 01:49:28,000 Zorich? 1897 01:49:30,896 --> 01:49:32,758 Boone? 1898 01:49:37,689 --> 01:49:39,068 Just got to find a way out of here. 1899 01:49:39,172 --> 01:49:41,724 Find a way out of here, I'll be fine. 1900 01:49:43,241 --> 01:49:45,000 Zorich! 1901 01:49:48,551 --> 01:49:50,413 Margaret! 1902 01:49:55,896 --> 01:49:57,379 Vanessa? 1903 01:49:58,241 --> 01:50:01,000 -Goddamn it, Zorich, why'd you let her out of your sight? 1904 01:50:03,655 --> 01:50:05,241 Windy! 1905 01:50:08,827 --> 01:50:10,206 Windy! 1906 01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:12,206 Windy! 1907 01:50:17,655 --> 01:50:19,000 -Windy! 1908 01:50:23,275 --> 01:50:24,793 -Windy! 1909 01:50:26,310 --> 01:50:27,689 -Windy! 1910 01:50:27,793 --> 01:50:30,344 -It's okay, we're here. It's okay, it's okay. 1911 01:50:30,448 --> 01:50:31,896 Where'd he go? 1912 01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:33,344 -It's okay, we're here, it's okay. 1913 01:50:40,965 --> 01:50:42,724 -I'm going to have to stop the bleeding. 1914 01:50:42,827 --> 01:50:44,896 I'll need something to sew her up with. 1915 01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:46,068 -Here. 1916 01:50:49,068 --> 01:50:50,551 -And quickly. 1917 01:50:50,655 --> 01:50:51,827 -There's a first aid kit at the bus. 1918 01:50:51,931 --> 01:50:53,310 We're going to have to go back. 1919 01:50:53,413 --> 01:50:54,862 -I'll go. 1920 01:50:54,965 --> 01:50:56,482 -Hines, you stay with us. 1921 01:50:56,586 --> 01:50:59,482 Zorich, you go. 1922 01:50:59,586 --> 01:51:02,551 -It's okay, Windy, it's okay. 1923 01:51:02,655 --> 01:51:05,172 Whoa, whoa, whoa. 1924 01:51:08,379 --> 01:51:10,724 It's okay, Windy, it's okay. 1925 01:51:10,827 --> 01:51:12,724 We're right here. 1926 01:51:12,827 --> 01:51:15,793 -Okay, Windy. It's going to be okay. 1927 01:51:23,206 --> 01:51:25,206 -Come on, you guys, hurry, please! 1928 01:51:41,862 --> 01:51:43,793 -Come on, let's go! 1929 01:51:56,448 --> 01:51:58,586 -There, there. 1930 01:51:58,689 --> 01:52:01,172 You're going to be okay. You're going to be okay. 1931 01:52:01,275 --> 01:52:03,034 It's going to be all right. 1932 01:52:05,758 --> 01:52:08,965 Come on, just relax. Margaret knows what she's doing. 1933 01:52:14,068 --> 01:52:15,551 There, hold on, hold on. 1934 01:52:15,655 --> 01:52:17,413 That's good, that's good, that's good. 1935 01:52:17,517 --> 01:52:19,275 It's going to be okay. It's going to be okay. 1936 01:52:19,379 --> 01:52:21,758 -Doing good. -It's all over, it's all over. 1937 01:52:24,448 --> 01:52:26,344 -Eggar's the enemy. 1938 01:52:27,275 --> 01:52:29,689 And our job is to kill him. 1939 01:52:35,310 --> 01:52:37,379 -Eggar should die. 1940 01:52:42,724 --> 01:52:44,275 -Zorich. 1941 01:52:45,137 --> 01:52:47,965 There's too much room up here to trap him. 1942 01:52:49,034 --> 01:52:51,965 If we get him down in the ravine, it'll be nice and close. 1943 01:53:19,551 --> 01:53:21,482 -Cut the song, Zorich. 1944 01:53:21,586 --> 01:53:23,448 Crazy bastard. 1945 01:53:33,103 --> 01:53:34,931 -Easy now, take it easy now. 1946 01:53:35,034 --> 01:53:36,482 You okay? 1947 01:53:44,758 --> 01:53:46,551 -Y'all watch your step. 1948 01:54:26,448 --> 01:54:28,206 Zorich, shut up. 1949 01:54:49,586 --> 01:54:52,517 Okay, this is great. 1950 01:54:52,620 --> 01:54:54,586 This is where we're going to do it. 1951 01:55:09,448 --> 01:55:10,724 -Great. 1952 01:55:10,827 --> 01:55:13,000 This is great. 1953 01:55:26,793 --> 01:55:28,551 Come here! 1954 01:55:28,655 --> 01:55:30,689 Found something! 1955 01:56:00,620 --> 01:56:02,724 -I'm going to kill him. 1956 01:56:03,275 --> 01:56:05,000 Right here. 1957 01:56:06,034 --> 01:56:08,862 -This is where it's going to happen. 1958 01:56:08,965 --> 01:56:11,379 Beautiful. 1959 01:56:11,482 --> 01:56:14,827 This is beautiful, ain't it? 1960 01:56:14,931 --> 01:56:17,206 You know something? 1961 01:56:17,310 --> 01:56:21,206 Throughout all this, I respect him. 1962 01:56:22,965 --> 01:56:27,655 He's just quiet, waiting. 1963 01:56:27,758 --> 01:56:30,000 That's the reason we lost the war. 1964 01:56:30,103 --> 01:56:32,482 You know that, don't you? 1965 01:56:32,586 --> 01:56:35,068 Well, the VC knew that. 1966 01:56:35,758 --> 01:56:37,827 They did. 1967 01:56:38,517 --> 01:56:40,310 They knew about the forest. 1968 01:56:40,413 --> 01:56:43,172 -You took them mushrooms, didn't you? 1969 01:56:44,896 --> 01:56:46,931 -We found some magic mushrooms in the shack. 1970 01:56:47,034 --> 01:56:49,862 He's stoned out his mind. 1971 01:56:49,965 --> 01:56:51,241 Damn you! 1972 01:56:51,344 --> 01:56:53,517 -Hey, man, it's a war game! 1973 01:56:53,620 --> 01:56:56,172 -Then get your act together! 1974 01:56:56,275 --> 01:56:59,793 -You blonde haired bitch. 1975 01:56:59,896 --> 01:57:01,655 You keep off my ass! 1976 01:57:01,758 --> 01:57:03,379 -Zorich, goddammit! 1977 01:57:03,482 --> 01:57:04,931 We need your help. 1978 01:57:05,034 --> 01:57:06,724 -You're damn right you do. 1979 01:57:06,827 --> 01:57:07,862 -Okay, good, Zorich. 1980 01:57:07,965 --> 01:57:10,172 You do your thing, okay? 1981 01:57:11,206 --> 01:57:13,000 And we'll do ours. 1982 01:57:13,103 --> 01:57:15,551 Leave him alone. Come on, let's go. 1983 01:57:16,827 --> 01:57:18,655 -Chump. 1984 01:57:18,758 --> 01:57:20,517 -Goddamn. 1985 01:57:20,620 --> 01:57:23,103 I ain't stoned. 1986 01:58:12,034 --> 01:58:14,413 -How you doing? -Okay. 1987 01:58:40,758 --> 01:58:42,413 -Hey, Cerone! 1988 01:58:42,517 --> 01:58:45,448 Nobody's keeping your ass here! 1989 01:59:35,241 --> 01:59:36,931 -Eggar! 1990 01:59:42,551 --> 01:59:44,241 Eggar! 1991 01:59:49,068 --> 01:59:50,620 Eggar! 1992 01:59:55,482 --> 01:59:57,655 Eggar! 1993 02:00:07,689 --> 02:00:09,517 Listen to me, Eggar! 1994 02:00:13,862 --> 02:00:15,965 They're going to get you, Eggar! 1995 02:00:20,551 --> 02:00:22,689 They're going to get you bad, Eggar! 1996 02:00:26,206 --> 02:00:27,724 I don't give a damn, Eggar! 1997 02:00:27,827 --> 02:00:30,172 I just want to get out of here! 1998 02:00:32,724 --> 02:00:35,379 Eggar, I want to help you! 1999 02:00:48,586 --> 02:00:51,620 Damn you, Eggar, show yourself. 2000 02:00:56,655 --> 02:00:58,137 Where are you, Eggar? 2001 02:00:58,241 --> 02:01:00,517 -You say too much! 2002 02:01:02,137 --> 02:01:04,103 I told you not to come! 2003 02:01:04,206 --> 02:01:05,586 But now you done it. 2004 02:01:05,689 --> 02:01:07,000 They're going to take her away. 2005 02:01:07,103 --> 02:01:09,586 They're going to take away. Why'd you come? 2006 02:01:09,689 --> 02:01:11,620 Why'd you come?! 2007 02:01:15,689 --> 02:01:17,413 -Now! 2008 02:02:30,103 --> 02:02:31,896 -Mom! 2009 02:02:33,310 --> 02:02:35,172 Mom! 2010 02:07:25,517 --> 02:07:26,965 -Oh, my God, Darcy! 2011 02:07:27,068 --> 02:07:28,586 You look exactly like the killer. 2012 02:07:28,689 --> 02:07:30,896 -I'm thinking like a forest, sir. 2013 02:07:32,379 --> 02:07:34,448 -Whatever else you want to say about "The Final Terror", 2014 02:07:34,551 --> 02:07:36,344 that is one hell of an ending. 2015 02:07:36,448 --> 02:07:38,758 And you can see how Andrew Davis became one 2016 02:07:38,862 --> 02:07:40,586 of the top action directors in the business. 2017 02:07:40,689 --> 02:07:45,689 From the third act climax to the end of the movie, 2018 02:07:45,793 --> 02:07:48,931 that's about, what, 30 seconds? 2019 02:07:51,724 --> 02:07:53,206 But that's all you need, isn't it? 2020 02:07:53,310 --> 02:07:55,137 -That's the genius of it. 2021 02:07:55,241 --> 02:08:00,275 -Once you once you hear Eggar shout, "Mom", you get it? 2022 02:08:00,379 --> 02:08:02,862 There's a lot of crazy moms in slashers. 2023 02:08:02,965 --> 02:08:04,793 -True. -But Eggar's mom 2024 02:08:04,896 --> 02:08:07,965 was played by Anthony Macario, who was a crew guy. 2025 02:08:08,068 --> 02:08:10,862 But this was made before the trope of the crazy mama 2026 02:08:10,965 --> 02:08:12,000 was firmly established. 2027 02:08:12,103 --> 02:08:13,620 Because it's 1981. 2028 02:08:13,724 --> 02:08:15,482 -The ending almost makes it worth it. 2029 02:08:15,586 --> 02:08:19,655 -The official release date is July the 14th, 1983, 2030 02:08:19,758 --> 02:08:21,448 but really, it kept moving around the country 2031 02:08:21,551 --> 02:08:24,000 through 1985 under various titles, 2032 02:08:24,103 --> 02:08:26,000 various marketing campaigns. 2033 02:08:26,103 --> 02:08:28,241 It was called "Bump in the Night", 2034 02:08:28,344 --> 02:08:31,137 "The Forest Primeval", "Carnivore", 2035 02:08:31,241 --> 02:08:32,379 "Campsite Massacre." 2036 02:08:32,482 --> 02:08:33,965 That was the title in the UK, 2037 02:08:34,068 --> 02:08:35,379 where it played on a double feature 2038 02:08:35,482 --> 02:08:37,310 with "Hellcat Mud Wrestlers." 2039 02:08:37,413 --> 02:08:39,379 -Nice. -"Three Blind Mice", 2040 02:08:39,482 --> 02:08:41,206 "The Creeper", 2041 02:08:41,310 --> 02:08:46,000 "Death Trap on Mill Creek", and "Angst." 2042 02:08:46,103 --> 02:08:48,413 It was probably Sam Arkoff who suggested "Angst", 2043 02:08:48,517 --> 02:08:51,379 because by that time, the movie was nothing but angst for him. 2044 02:08:51,482 --> 02:08:56,241 The theatrical poster tagline was, "Can anyone survive?" 2045 02:08:56,344 --> 02:08:58,344 And the answer was, "Well, yeah, 2046 02:08:58,448 --> 02:09:00,448 almost all of them do survive." 2047 02:09:00,551 --> 02:09:02,310 -Anyway... -Survival night. 2048 02:09:02,413 --> 02:09:04,344 -Anyway, it's time 2049 02:09:04,448 --> 02:09:06,724 to find out what poured into Joe Bob's mailbag this month. 2050 02:09:06,827 --> 02:09:09,724 What you got? 2051 02:09:09,827 --> 02:09:11,241 -Here you go. -All right. 2052 02:09:11,344 --> 02:09:13,517 -We have an email from Michael Korosec 2053 02:09:13,620 --> 02:09:15,344 of Vilonia, Arkansas. 2054 02:09:15,448 --> 02:09:16,689 -Vilonia?! -Yeah. 2055 02:09:16,793 --> 02:09:18,000 -That's cool. 2056 02:09:18,103 --> 02:09:19,689 -Is it? -Yeah. 2057 02:09:19,793 --> 02:09:23,448 Vilonia is between Conway and Beebe. 2058 02:09:23,551 --> 02:09:25,448 -How do you know that? 2059 02:09:25,551 --> 02:09:27,655 -High school football reporter for the Arkansas Democrat. 2060 02:09:27,758 --> 02:09:29,000 I know every high school football team 2061 02:09:29,103 --> 02:09:30,586 in the state of Arkansas. 2062 02:09:30,689 --> 02:09:33,551 Vilonia Eagles, class A, single-A. 2063 02:09:33,655 --> 02:09:34,965 -Well, thank you for that information. 2064 02:09:35,068 --> 02:09:36,310 Now read the letter, please. 2065 02:09:36,413 --> 02:09:37,310 -All right. "Hey, Joe Bob. 2066 02:09:37,413 --> 02:09:38,862 My name is Michael Korosec, 2067 02:09:38,965 --> 02:09:40,724 a working class guy from small town Arkansas. 2068 02:09:40,827 --> 02:09:45,413 I work for Walmart supply chain and live in Vilonia. 2069 02:09:45,517 --> 02:09:47,310 Grew up here my whole life. 2070 02:09:47,413 --> 02:09:50,448 I'm 42 years old, a veteran of the Iraq war, 2071 02:09:50,551 --> 02:09:52,620 the United States Marine Corps. 2072 02:09:52,724 --> 02:09:54,103 Been a horror fan my whole life. 2073 02:09:54,206 --> 02:09:56,344 I've been watching you since I was a little boy, 2074 02:09:56,448 --> 02:09:58,172 love 'The Last Drive-in.' 2075 02:09:58,275 --> 02:10:00,413 Got to share the love of horror with my children. 2076 02:10:00,517 --> 02:10:03,517 I have five and one on the way. 2077 02:10:03,620 --> 02:10:07,413 They are 21, 19, 15, 4, and 2. 2078 02:10:07,517 --> 02:10:09,275 Two girls. Three boys. 2079 02:10:09,379 --> 02:10:12,000 And as you'll be able to see with the attached video, 2080 02:10:12,103 --> 02:10:14,034 my 4 year old and my 2 year old, 2081 02:10:14,137 --> 02:10:16,517 their favorite movie is 'Critters.' 2082 02:10:16,620 --> 02:10:18,103 So maybe one day you can show 2083 02:10:18,206 --> 02:10:20,000 and review 'Critters' and 'Critters 2.' 2084 02:10:20,103 --> 02:10:21,965 I would like to say 2085 02:10:22,068 --> 02:10:23,965 how much I appreciate all the memories from my youth 2086 02:10:24,068 --> 02:10:25,413 and the memories I've been able to share with each 2087 02:10:25,517 --> 02:10:26,896 and every one of my children. 2088 02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:29,586 Thanks to you and your show. Your fan, Michael Korosec. 2089 02:10:29,689 --> 02:10:30,862 Vilonia, Arkansas." Wow. 2090 02:10:30,965 --> 02:10:32,620 Thank you for your service, Michael, 2091 02:10:32,724 --> 02:10:34,793 and thank you for populating the planet. 2092 02:10:34,896 --> 02:10:37,172 I mean, six kids at the age of 42, 2093 02:10:37,275 --> 02:10:38,931 still working on having a bigger family. 2094 02:10:39,034 --> 02:10:41,931 So, did you watch the video that he sent? 2095 02:10:42,034 --> 02:10:43,758 -Yes. It was so cute. I wish we could show it. 2096 02:10:43,862 --> 02:10:46,965 -Yeah, we don't show video or pictures of minors, 2097 02:10:47,068 --> 02:10:50,551 but I will do a video back for the kids. 2098 02:10:50,655 --> 02:10:53,931 And, um, Michael, I'll check on the status of "Critters." 2099 02:10:54,034 --> 02:10:56,000 We've had it in the past. 2100 02:10:56,103 --> 02:10:58,655 I think my friend Mick Garris did "Critters 2." 2101 02:10:58,758 --> 02:11:01,413 Is that right? -Yes. I love "Critters 2." 2102 02:11:01,517 --> 02:11:03,827 -Yeah. You like "Critters 2"? -Yes. 2103 02:11:03,931 --> 02:11:05,689 Easter. Easter classic. 2104 02:11:05,793 --> 02:11:06,965 -I don't even remember who directed Critters 1, 2105 02:11:07,068 --> 02:11:08,068 to tell you the truth. 2106 02:11:08,172 --> 02:11:10,137 -Stephen Herek, the same guy who did 2107 02:11:10,241 --> 02:11:11,724 "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure." 2108 02:11:11,827 --> 02:11:16,724 -Okay, well, now that we know "Critters" is big in Vilonia. 2109 02:11:16,827 --> 02:11:19,965 Um, actually, you can stream the "Critters" series. 2110 02:11:20,068 --> 02:11:22,310 That's a series that we have at Shudder. 2111 02:11:22,413 --> 02:11:25,793 -Yeah, they're like really short, like 10 minute episodes. 2112 02:11:25,896 --> 02:11:26,931 You know, it's cute. 2113 02:11:27,034 --> 02:11:28,034 -10 minutes? 2114 02:11:28,137 --> 02:11:29,413 -Yeah. -All right. 2115 02:11:29,517 --> 02:11:30,655 Perfect for a 2 year old, though. 2116 02:11:30,758 --> 02:11:32,034 And a 4 year old. -They are. 2117 02:11:32,137 --> 02:11:34,137 -Anyway, thanks, Michael. 2118 02:11:34,241 --> 02:11:36,103 Sometimes we need to be reminded 2119 02:11:36,206 --> 02:11:39,137 that getting back to basics is always a good idea. 2120 02:11:39,241 --> 02:11:42,103 And that's it for me And for Darcy the Mail Girl. 2121 02:11:42,206 --> 02:11:44,413 Thanks to our special guest, C. Robert Cargill. 2122 02:11:44,517 --> 02:11:46,517 Go watch "Black Phone 2" if you like the show 2123 02:11:46,620 --> 02:11:47,758 or even if you didn't like the show. 2124 02:11:47,862 --> 02:11:49,379 And I'm Joe Bob Briggs, 2125 02:11:49,482 --> 02:11:50,965 reminding you that we're going to paint the town 2126 02:11:51,068 --> 02:11:53,344 and the front porch this Halloween. 2127 02:11:53,448 --> 02:11:56,068 We'll be back with our usual Halloween special, 2128 02:11:56,172 --> 02:11:58,413 which this year is called "Splatter Ween." 2129 02:11:58,517 --> 02:12:00,379 -Yeah. -But in addition to that, 2130 02:12:00,482 --> 02:12:03,482 we'll be doing a double feature on "Fear Fest" over on AMC. 2131 02:12:03,586 --> 02:12:04,931 We're doing "Nightmare on Elm Street" 2132 02:12:05,034 --> 02:12:06,034 and "Freddy Vs. Jason" back to back. 2133 02:12:06,137 --> 02:12:08,758 -Yeah! -And then we'll be live at 2134 02:12:08,862 --> 02:12:10,448 the Texas Theatre in Dallas 2135 02:12:10,551 --> 02:12:13,551 on Halloween for a "Dusk to Dawn Spooktacular." 2136 02:12:13,655 --> 02:12:15,758 Five movies plus all kinds of zaniness. 2137 02:12:15,862 --> 02:12:18,068 Come join us if you can for that. 2138 02:12:18,172 --> 02:12:19,517 I know you, Darcy, 2139 02:12:19,620 --> 02:12:21,206 are going to try to start a whole new "Rocky Horror" 2140 02:12:21,310 --> 02:12:23,034 type performance art movement that night. 2141 02:12:23,137 --> 02:12:24,655 -You have no idea. I'm so excited. 2142 02:12:24,758 --> 02:12:26,068 This has been my goal for so long. 2143 02:12:26,172 --> 02:12:27,827 It's a movie that deserves it. 2144 02:12:27,931 --> 02:12:29,862 -Well, whatever. -Under appreciated classic. 2145 02:12:29,965 --> 02:12:32,517 -It's also the night that we'll do the official "Halloween 3" 2146 02:12:32,620 --> 02:12:34,241 throwdown debate. 2147 02:12:34,344 --> 02:12:35,413 -I thought we weren't telling people that. 2148 02:12:35,517 --> 02:12:36,931 -I don't know. 2149 02:12:37,034 --> 02:12:38,482 It's going to get nasty on the stage of The Texas Theater. 2150 02:12:38,586 --> 02:12:40,137 -Very nasty. -And even though we're 2151 02:12:40,241 --> 02:12:43,448 indoors that night, the drive in will never die. 2152 02:12:45,000 --> 02:12:48,793 What did the Buddhist ask the hot dog vendor? 2153 02:12:48,896 --> 02:12:51,620 Make me one with everything. 2154 02:12:51,724 --> 02:12:53,586 -I think you did that one already. 2155 02:12:54,965 --> 02:12:56,586 -Did you get a kindergarten joke book? 2156 02:12:56,689 --> 02:12:58,137 What's going on? 2157 02:12:58,241 --> 02:13:00,551 -You know why you never see elephants hiding up in trees? 2158 02:13:00,655 --> 02:13:01,862 -What? 2159 02:13:01,965 --> 02:13:04,344 -Because they're really good at it. 2160 02:13:05,689 --> 02:13:08,103 -Okay. -Horse walks into a bar. 2161 02:13:08,206 --> 02:13:10,620 Bartender says, why the long face? 2162 02:13:11,517 --> 02:13:13,310 -I just don't even know. 2163 02:13:13,413 --> 02:13:15,172 These are, like, literally the oldest jokes ever, 2164 02:13:15,275 --> 02:13:16,310 just so you know. 2165 02:13:16,413 --> 02:13:17,448 -All right. 2166 02:13:17,551 --> 02:13:19,000 -Do you want applause for that? 2167 02:13:19,103 --> 02:13:20,448 -What do you get when you cross a dyslexic, 2168 02:13:20,551 --> 02:13:22,655 an insomniac, and an agnostic? 2169 02:13:25,275 --> 02:13:27,275 Somebody who lies awake all night wondering 2170 02:13:27,379 --> 02:13:29,034 if there's a dog. 2171 02:13:29,586 --> 02:13:32,310 -Okay. That's better. -You want me to say it again? 2172 02:13:32,413 --> 02:13:34,241 -No. Why would I want -- 2173 02:13:34,344 --> 02:13:36,034 -All right, I'm going to tell you a real joke. 2174 02:13:36,137 --> 02:13:37,793 This is a real joke. -Okay, a real joke. 2175 02:13:37,896 --> 02:13:40,034 -I'm not going to go out on a lame one. 2176 02:13:40,137 --> 02:13:41,965 Guy's married a long time, 2177 02:13:42,068 --> 02:13:44,000 and he finds out he's unable to perform sexually. 2178 02:13:44,103 --> 02:13:45,827 So he goes to the doctor, 2179 02:13:45,931 --> 02:13:47,862 and he tries a few things, and nothing works. 2180 02:13:47,965 --> 02:13:50,310 And finally the doctor says to him, "It's all in your mind." 2181 02:13:50,413 --> 02:13:52,482 So he sends him to a psychiatrist. 2182 02:13:52,586 --> 02:13:54,689 Psychiatrist meets with him a few times, says, 2183 02:13:54,793 --> 02:13:56,724 "I don't know how you can possibly be cured", 2184 02:13:56,827 --> 02:13:58,862 and refers him to a witch doctor. 2185 02:13:58,965 --> 02:14:00,689 So the guy goes to the witch doctor, 2186 02:14:00,793 --> 02:14:03,172 and the witch doctor says, "I can cure you." 2187 02:14:03,275 --> 02:14:05,413 And he throws some powder on a flame 2188 02:14:05,517 --> 02:14:07,137 and there's a flash of billowing smoke. 2189 02:14:07,241 --> 02:14:09,586 And he says, "This is very powerful healing, 2190 02:14:09,689 --> 02:14:11,793 but you can only use it once a year. 2191 02:14:11,896 --> 02:14:16,000 All you have to do is say one, two, three, 2192 02:14:16,103 --> 02:14:21,137 and it will rise for as long as you wish." 2193 02:14:21,241 --> 02:14:23,241 And the guy says, "All I say is one, two, three? 2194 02:14:23,344 --> 02:14:25,413 Okay. I say that, and then what happens 2195 02:14:25,517 --> 02:14:27,344 when I'm finished, when it's over? 2196 02:14:27,448 --> 02:14:30,172 Witch doctor says, "All you or your partner have to 2197 02:14:30,275 --> 02:14:32,689 say then is, "One, two, three, four. 2198 02:14:32,793 --> 02:14:35,862 But be warned, it will not work again for a year." 2199 02:14:35,965 --> 02:14:37,758 So the guy goes home that night. 2200 02:14:37,862 --> 02:14:39,620 He wants to surprise his wife with the good news. 2201 02:14:39,724 --> 02:14:42,000 They get in bed. He says "One, two, three." 2202 02:14:42,103 --> 02:14:44,482 And it works. He's ready to go. 2203 02:14:44,586 --> 02:14:46,344 His wife turns over and says, "What did you say 2204 02:14:46,448 --> 02:14:48,034 one, two, three for?" 2205 02:14:50,827 --> 02:14:52,793 -Oh! 2206 02:14:54,586 --> 02:14:55,965 Gotcha. 2207 02:14:58,448 --> 02:15:00,310 -♪ We are drive-in mutants 2208 02:15:00,413 --> 02:15:01,862 -♪ Drive-in mutants ♪ 2209 02:15:01,965 --> 02:15:04,137 -♪ We are not like other people ♪ 2210 02:15:04,241 --> 02:15:05,551 ♪ We are sick -♪ Sick ♪ 2211 02:15:05,655 --> 02:15:06,965 -♪ We are disgusting -♪ Disgusting ♪ 2212 02:15:07,068 --> 02:15:09,689 -♪ We believe in, we believe in ♪ 2213 02:15:09,793 --> 02:15:11,137 -♪ Blood ♪ 2214 02:15:11,241 --> 02:15:12,413 ♪ And breasts ♪ 2215 02:15:12,517 --> 02:15:14,000 ♪ And beasts ♪ 2216 02:15:14,103 --> 02:15:15,172 -♪ Yeah, we believe in ♪ 2217 02:15:15,275 --> 02:15:16,379 -♪ Blood ♪ 2218 02:15:16,482 --> 02:15:17,655 ♪ And breasts ♪ 2219 02:15:17,758 --> 02:15:19,034 ♪ And beasts ♪ 2220 02:15:20,172 --> 02:15:22,758 -♪ If life had a vomit meter ♪ 2221 02:15:22,862 --> 02:15:25,413 ♪ We'd be off the scale -♪ Off the scale ♪ 2222 02:15:25,517 --> 02:15:28,758 -♪ As long as one drive-in remains on the planet Earth ♪ 2223 02:15:28,862 --> 02:15:31,310 ♪ We will party like jungle animals ♪ 2224 02:15:33,379 --> 02:15:34,965 ♪ We will boogie till we puke ♪ 2225 02:15:35,068 --> 02:15:36,137 -♪ Boogie till we puke ♪ 2226 02:15:36,241 --> 02:15:38,586 -♪ The drive-in will never die ♪ 2227 02:15:38,689 --> 02:15:40,275 ♪ We will boogie till we puke ♪ 2228 02:15:40,379 --> 02:15:41,517 -♪ Boogie till we puke ♪ 2229 02:15:41,620 --> 02:15:43,413 -♪ The drive-in will never die ♪ 2230 02:15:43,517 --> 02:15:44,517 -♪ We believe in ♪ 2231 02:15:44,620 --> 02:15:45,586 ♪ Blood ♪ 2232 02:15:45,689 --> 02:15:46,827 ♪ And breasts ♪ 2233 02:15:46,931 --> 02:15:48,413 ♪ And beasts ♪ 2234 02:15:48,517 --> 02:15:49,586 -♪ We believe in ♪ 2235 02:15:49,689 --> 02:15:50,862 -♪ Blood ♪ 2236 02:15:50,965 --> 02:15:52,206 ♪ And breasts ♪ 2237 02:15:52,310 --> 02:15:53,620 ♪ And beasts ♪ 2238 02:15:53,724 --> 02:15:55,137 -♪ Yeah, we believe in ♪ 2239 02:16:02,896 --> 02:16:05,827 Made in Georgia. 2240 02:16:05,931 --> 02:16:07,034 pass